KISS - UNPLUGGED 2

jesternjeff · Post by **jesternjeff** » Tue Dec 27, 2011 5:53 pm

I think a ' KISS - UNPLUGGED 2 " is order, and to have Vinnie come out and join them for
" A MILLION TO ONE & LICK IT UP." ( I picked these 2 cuz I think they
would sound best acoustically. If they could do a version of " DANGER " that
would be strange but, somehow good Im sure ! Here is my set list, before you judge on
the sappiness of some song choices, I picked them w/ acoustics in mind !!!

-KISS UNPLUGGED 2 ( set list ) Paul / Gene / Tommy / Eric
Love Theme From Kiss
Two Timer
Love Her All I can
All The Way
Mister Speed
Charisma
Is That You

-Vinnie brought in
Danger
A million To One
Lick It up
- Vinnie exits

Crazy Nights w/ Choir
I Just Wanna
Im An Animal
Say Yeah

-Japanese version of the c.d. w/ 2 extra songs of course !
Tears Are Falling & Modern Day Delila

wolfgang161272 · Post by **wolfgang161272** » Tue Dec 27, 2011 10:52 pm

THis would be amazing - but this dreams comes not true...Not for Gene and not for Paul, never ever...
Wolfi

PinkWiz · Post by **PinkWiz** » Wed Dec 28, 2011 3:43 am

I'm sure if they were willing to bring in Vinnie, then Bruce, Peter and Ace would be there.

Would love to hear A Million To One acoustic though.

erg2 · Post by **erg2** » Wed Dec 28, 2011 4:14 am

I love the bootleg version of the Unplugged session with all the in-between banter, goofing off and real vocals. It's so much more fun to listen to than that sterilized official version they put out.

I also disagree with the G&P philosophy that the acoustic versions have to be as faithful as possible to the original electric versions. I don't for a minute believe Paul's assertion that "all" of their songs start out on the acoustic guitar during the writing process. I think there are songs that just can't/won't work acoustically...at least without adjusting the musical composition.

On the original Unplugged, I just don't think RnRAN sounds "right" acoustic using the electric arrangement like they did.

A song I would love to hear an acoustic version with a choir and string accompaniment: Reason To Live

jesternjeff · Post by **jesternjeff** » Wed Dec 28, 2011 4:25 am

There would be nothing special about having Bruce, Ace & Peter on a second Unplugged album. Having a Vinnie appearance would be AWESOME especially w/ Tommy & Eric as there would be less tension knowing Bruce doesn't really like Vinnie. Either do Gene & Paul but, they would get past it ...... $$$$$$$$$$$$. lol

Reason To Live .... yeah, I missed that one, good choice perhaps on Unplugged 3 ? lol

PinkWiz · Post by **PinkWiz** » Wed Dec 28, 2011 4:28 am

Gene and Paul only pander to the fair weather fans. Not enough interest in Vinnie nowadays to warrant recording a whole new Unplugged just for his appearance... or for that matter with Tommy and Eric.

jesternjeff · Post by **jesternjeff** » Wed Dec 28, 2011 4:34 am

This is just a topic whether it comes true or not is hypothetical !

PinkWiz · Post by **PinkWiz** » Wed Dec 28, 2011 4:39 am

Vinnie and Mark should've been on the original Unplugged, but at that point it was all about Ace and Peter being introduced back into the fold.

jesternjeff · Post by **jesternjeff** » Wed Dec 28, 2011 4:43 am

Pink Wiz tell us something we don't already know ! What songs would you like to see/hear on this unplugged 2 ???

PinkWiz · Post by **PinkWiz** » Wed Dec 28, 2011 4:56 am

Ya know, I'm Pretty Shot.

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jesternjeff · Post by **jesternjeff** » Wed Dec 28, 2011 5:20 am

On KISS- UNPLUGGED 2 ? What are you on dope ???

erg2 · Post by **erg2** » Wed Dec 28, 2011 5:23 am

jesternjeff wrote:On KISS- UNPLUGGED 2 ? What are you on dope ???

impolite

PinkWiz · Post by **PinkWiz** » Wed Dec 28, 2011 5:46 am

jesternjeff wrote:On KISS- UNPLUGGED 2 ? What are you on dope ???

you said it was "hypothetical"... deal with it.

and yes, i love dope.

jesternjeff · Post by **jesternjeff** » Wed Dec 28, 2011 6:58 am

I said hypothetical NOT hydroponical ! lol Erg2, put a cork in it no one asked you !!! I love dope too !!!

PinkWiz · Post by **PinkWiz** » Wed Dec 28, 2011 7:07 am

jesternjeff wrote:I love dope too !!!

never would've guessed...

jesternjeff · Post by **jesternjeff** » Wed Dec 28, 2011 7:12 am

Stoner rock is my specialty !
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Post by **Genebaby** » Wed Dec 28, 2011 8:44 am

Jeff, this was starting out so well, please play nice.

It's hypothetical so clearly people can wish for what they want? Strange or not.

jesternjeff · Post by **jesternjeff** » Wed Dec 28, 2011 8:54 am

Stick to the topic, it's KISS not vinnie vincent solo stuff ! THE SUBJECT IS KISS !!! Im trying to be nice. Its fine to be hypothetical but, keep it hypothetical to the topic KISS, otherwise this would be under vv general !!!

Post by **Genebaby** » Wed Dec 28, 2011 8:56 am

Ah, I see what you mean. With Vinnie being in Kiss I didn't notice.

Still, there are nicer ways to word it, so you come across better.

jesternjeff · Post by **jesternjeff** » Wed Dec 28, 2011 9:06 am

Instead of wasting your time & energy on me why dont you explain to others to stay on the subject, this is why we have them is it not ? A VV solo song on a KISS album like what the fuck ... who doesnt get the picture here. Its erg 2 who started it by saying something that didnt need to be said !!!

PinkWiz · Post by **PinkWiz** » Wed Dec 28, 2011 10:28 am

Jeff, just wondering... how old are you? I was thinking maybe mid-30's to 40's since you're a Vinnie/KISS fan, but your responses make you seem much younger... like maybe a teenager? Just wondering...

jesternjeff · Post by **jesternjeff** » Wed Dec 28, 2011 10:53 am

What is it about my response ( please be specific ) that would lead you to believe Im a teenager ?

jesternjeff · Post by **jesternjeff** » Wed Dec 28, 2011 10:55 am

When someone subject is KISS MEETS ARCHIE COMIC should I go into Wolverine issue 468 fights the Hulk, give your head a shake !!!!

Post by **Genebaby** » Wed Dec 28, 2011 12:13 pm

Jeff, we get it but when it comes to written text you come off rather caustic.

Try to relax!

jesternjeff · Post by **jesternjeff** » Wed Dec 28, 2011 12:37 pm

Oh o.k. ... I get it Genebaby " Im pretty shot," yeah good song choice for a KiSS UNPLUGGED 2 thanks Pinkwiz. Sorry if I offended anyone by asking if you are on the dope , so rude of me ... my bad !!! While were going the wrong way in this thread we should just put some Peter Criss songs off of Out Of Control on KISS - UNPLUGGED 2, Bruce could do a Whit Lion song !

PinkWiz · Post by **PinkWiz** » Wed Dec 28, 2011 1:58 pm

jesternjeff wrote:What is it about my response ( please be specific ) that would lead you to believe Im a teenager ?

You just answered this with your last few responses...

jesternjeff · Post by **jesternjeff** » Wed Dec 28, 2011 2:09 pm

It's called being sarcastic, do I have to wait till your next post to show you or are you old enough to have figured out that your post was the problem here ? Cuz I can wait till your next post and go to left field w/ it, if you would like ... wanna play adolescent ( being nice here Genebaby ) ? Try me !!!

poserboy71 · Post by **poserboy71** » Wed Dec 28, 2011 2:29 pm

JJ suddenly comes back. HMMMMmmmmmmm

Slayer · Post by **Slayer** » Wed Dec 28, 2011 2:41 pm

PinkWiz wrote:I'm sure if they were willing to bring in Vinnie, then Bruce, Peter and Ace would be there.

Would love to hear A Million To One acoustic though.

Luv the new avatar BRO

PinkWiz · Post by **PinkWiz** » Wed Dec 28, 2011 2:57 pm

jesternjeff wrote:It's called being sarcastic, do I have to wait till your next post to show you or are you old enough to have figured out that your post was the problem here ? Cuz I can wait till your next post and go to left field w/ it, if you would like ... wanna play adolescent ( being nice here Genebaby ) ? Try me !!!

Nothin worse than someone who can dish it out but can't take it...

PinkWiz · Post by **PinkWiz** » Wed Dec 28, 2011 3:00 pm

Slayer wrote:
PinkWiz wrote:I'm sure if they were willing to bring in Vinnie, then Bruce, Peter and Ace would be there.

Would love to hear A Million To One acoustic though.
Luv the new avatar BRO

Thanx... didn't realize Cusano was such a comic book fan!

Slayer · Post by **Slayer** » Wed Dec 28, 2011 3:01 pm

jesternjeff wrote:I think a ' KISS - UNPLUGGED 2 " is order, and to have Vinnie come out and join them for
" A MILLION TO ONE & LICK IT UP." ( I picked these 2 cuz I think they
would sound best acoustically. If they could do a version of " DANGER " that
would be strange but, somehow good Im sure ! Here is my set list, before you judge on
the sappiness of some song choices, I picked them w/ acoustics in mind !!!

-KISS UNPLUGGED 2 ( set list ) Paul / Gene / Tommy / Eric
Love Theme From Kiss
Two Timer
Love Her All I can
All The Way
Mister Speed
Charisma
Is That You

-Vinnie brought in
Danger
A million To One
Lick It up
- Vinnie exits

Crazy Nights w/ Choir
I Just Wanna
Im An Animal
Say Yeah

-Japanese version of the c.d. w/ 2 extra songs of course !
Tears Are Falling & Modern Day Delila

Jeffrey,
I'm COOL with your list but my only concern is that Bob Kulick played on Danger rather than Vinnie Vincent. It would be interesting to hear Vinnie play this song but to the best of what I have read he has never performed this particular song live. Bob Kulick also played on Keep Me Coming from Creature's but in this case Vinnie did perform this song live a few times as well as Rock N Roll Hell that ws played by Robben Ford on COTN.
The following is from Kiss Faq

CREATURES OF THE NIGHT (1982)

Creatures Of The Night - Unknown (pos. Mike Porcaro) on bass; Steve Ferris on lead guitar; Adam Mitchell on guitar
Danger - Bob Kulick on guitar; Jimmy Haslip on bass
Keep Me Comin' - Bob Kulick on guitar
I Still Love You - Eric Carr on bass; Robben Ford on lead guitar
Rock And Roll Hell - Robben Ford on lead guitar; Jimmy Haslip on bass
War Machine - Gene Simmons on rhythm guitar
Note: Other session players on this album may even include Bruce Kulick!

Thanks for sharing and I would pay to see this event for sure!

Kev

jesternjeff · Post by **jesternjeff** » Wed Dec 28, 2011 3:32 pm

Slayer wrote:
jesternjeff wrote:I think a ' KISS - UNPLUGGED 2 " is order, and to have Vinnie come out and join them for
" A MILLION TO ONE & LICK IT UP." ( I picked these 2 cuz I think they
would sound best acoustically. If they could do a version of " DANGER " that
would be strange but, somehow good Im sure ! Here is my set list, before you judge on
the sappiness of some song choices, I picked them w/ acoustics in mind !!!

-KISS UNPLUGGED 2 ( set list ) Paul / Gene / Tommy / Eric
Love Theme From Kiss
Two Timer
Love Her All I can
All The Way
Mister Speed
Charisma
Is That You

-Vinnie brought in
Danger
A million To One
Lick It up
- Vinnie exits

Crazy Nights w/ Choir
I Just Wanna
Im An Animal
Say Yeah

-Japanese version of the c.d. w/ 2 extra songs of course !
Tears Are Falling & Modern Day Delila
Jeffrey,
I'm COOL with your list but my only concern is that Bob Kulick played on Danger rather than Vinnie Vincent. It would be interesting to hear Vinnie play this song but to the best of what I have read he has never performed this particular song live. Bob Kulick also played on Keep Me Coming from Creature's but in this case Vinnie did perform this song live a few times as well as Rock N Roll Hell that ws played by Robben Ford on COTN.
The following is from Kiss Faq

CREATURES OF THE NIGHT (1982)

Creatures Of The Night - Unknown (pos. Mike Porcaro) on bass; Steve Ferris on lead guitar; Adam Mitchell on guitar
Danger - Bob Kulick on guitar; Jimmy Haslip on bass
Keep Me Comin' - Bob Kulick on guitar
I Still Love You - Eric Carr on bass; Robben Ford on lead guitar
Rock And Roll Hell - Robben Ford on lead guitar; Jimmy Haslip on bass
War Machine - Gene Simmons on rhythm guitar
Note: Other session players on this album may even include Bruce Kulick!

Thanks for sharing and I would pay to see this event for sure!

Kev

Your right, Vinnie did not play on Danger. Was just throwing it out there, think it would be a cool rendition for an acoustic piece !!! Not For The innocent would be cool just dont think it would work acousticly !

jesternjeff · Post by **jesternjeff** » Wed Dec 28, 2011 3:35 pm

PinkWiz wrote:
jesternjeff wrote:It's called being sarcastic, do I have to wait till your next post to show you or are you old enough to have figured out that your post was the problem here ? Cuz I can wait till your next post and go to left field w/ it, if you would like ... wanna play adolescent ( being nice here Genebaby ) ? Try me !!!
Nothin worse than someone who can dish it out but can't take it...

If for one second you think adding a V V song to this list is dishing it out, your a boy who only his mother could love ! Stick to the script and you will do fine !!!

jesternjeff · Post by **jesternjeff** » Wed Dec 28, 2011 3:37 pm

poserboy71 wrote:JJ suddenly comes back. HMMMMmmmmmmm

Great to see you peaking in PB, you have had some great post in the last few weeks that I really enjoyed !!! Incidentally, I never was gone !!!!

PinkWiz · Post by **PinkWiz** » Wed Dec 28, 2011 3:41 pm

jesternjeff wrote:
PinkWiz wrote:
jesternjeff wrote:It's called being sarcastic, do I have to wait till your next post to show you or are you old enough to have figured out that your post was the problem here ? Cuz I can wait till your next post and go to left field w/ it, if you would like ... wanna play adolescent ( being nice here Genebaby ) ? Try me !!!
Nothin worse than someone who can dish it out but can't take it...
If for one second you think adding a V V song to this list is dishing it out, your a boy who only his mother could love ! Stick to the script and you will do fine !!!

Apology accepted.

jesternjeff · Post by **jesternjeff** » Wed Dec 28, 2011 3:48 pm

PinkWiz wrote:
jesternjeff wrote:
PinkWiz wrote:
jesternjeff wrote:It's called being sarcastic, do I have to wait till your next post to show you or are you old enough to have figured out that your post was the problem here ? Cuz I can wait till your next post and go to left field w/ it, if you would like ... wanna play adolescent ( being nice here Genebaby ) ? Try me !!!
Nothin worse than someone who can dish it out but can't take it...
If for one second you think adding a V V song to this list is dishing it out, your a boy who only his mother could love ! Stick to the script and you will do fine !!!
Apology accepted.

I dont think you or I did anything wrong, I mean your song choice didnt make sense but, I wasnt upset about it. It was that other guy who said I was doing something wrong that pissed me off ! Truce !

erg2 · Post by **erg2** » Thu Dec 29, 2011 2:34 am

I would like to hear Rock Warriors on Unplugged 2.

jesternjeff · Post by **jesternjeff** » Fri Dec 30, 2011 5:11 am

Not sure I heard that one, perhaps you ment Rock Soldiers ???

erg2 · Post by **erg2** » Fri Dec 30, 2011 6:12 am

Oh no. I meant Rock Warriors.
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PinkWiz · Post by **PinkWiz** » Sat Dec 31, 2011 5:50 am

Mr. Mark Leslie Norton!

jesternjeff · Post by **jesternjeff** » Mon Jan 02, 2012 1:55 pm

Not a bad song, I never got into White Lion ! Think Dio's voice would have sounded better then this guy singing !!!

shramiac · Post by **shramiac** » Mon Jan 02, 2012 2:34 pm

Dio makes EVERTHING sound good!!!! RIP

jesternjeff · Post by **jesternjeff** » Mon Jan 02, 2012 5:15 pm

shramiac wrote:Dio makes EVERTHING sound good!!!! RIP

Hell Ya ! Much agreed, long live Dio !!!

doublev2 · Post by **doublev2** » Mon Jan 02, 2012 8:08 pm

Rumours have been linking vinnie to playing on keep me comin. Not sure if solo or not.

PinkWiz · Post by **PinkWiz** » Mon Jan 02, 2012 10:41 pm

WHITE LION:
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WHITE TIGER:
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jesternjeff · Post by **jesternjeff** » Tue Jan 03, 2012 4:10 am

My bad .. ment White Tiger, wasnt a big fan of it, cant stand White Lion either ! Dio however = AWESOMENESS !!!

erg2 · Post by **erg2** » Wed Jan 04, 2012 12:26 am

I spent a year in the 80s trying to get my hands on the White Tiger cassette. Imagine my surprise upon listening how I had labored much too hard. That album is ass.
#1- Bad production and mixing. If this band was any good, the album does not showcase it at all.
#2- The singing is SO nasally. And he talks more about how he was/is a male model than he does about music.

As much as I disliked the cassette, I heard some potential in a few songs.(Bad Time Coming, Northern Wind, etc.) It was all just cheaply executed...not raw, just amateur.

I was surprised when I got the remastered CD at how much better the completely remixed/reworked ROCK WARRIORS sounded. I think a decent producer could've made something out of this band.

PinkWiz · Post by **PinkWiz** » Wed Jan 04, 2012 3:52 am

Yeah I was never much of a fan of White Tiger or the stuff that Mark did with Peter Criss (The Keep). The production did suck but unfortunately White Tiger didn't have the songwriting prowess of VVI. In the late 80's, Vinnie blew anything that Mark, Peter, Ace or even KISS did outta the fukn water IMHO (and probably everyone else's honest opinion here too).

erg2 · Post by **erg2** » Wed Jan 04, 2012 6:04 am

KISS was, for the most part IMO, on auto-pilot during the latter half of the 80s. They weren't invested in making the best possible KISS album or product.

I've haven't heard much of The Keep stuff, but I think it's a great effort by a mediocre group of musicians/songwriters. Which is to say, I think for who was making it, it turned out some pretty listenable stuff. I wouldn't have expected that after hearing the Peter Criss solo albums and the White Tiger album. When you're expecting a glass full of diarrhea but get a glass full of flat soda, you feel pretty good about what's going on.

Ace Frehley...it's so hard to say. His solo stuff has ALWAYS been too scattered and unfocused to be great. I think the first couple of Frehley's Comet albums are Ace trying to create hair metal even though his heart wasn't in it. Some of it is pretty good, but none of it is inspired. Trouble Walking is probably his most focused work since his KISS solo album.

Vinnie Vincent VVI is the only KISS member to have an album that is focused, cohesive and more than just filler surrounding a couple of potential singles. ASG is also equally focused and cohesive sounding, but a little too polished-overdubbed-layered to be as great as VVI...but a far more focused effort than White Tiger, Frehley's Comet or Criss/The Keep.