Something about Vinnie I wrote in 1996!

[doublev2]

Slayer good but i can triple that list.
Let freedom rock for example and who got credit for that rip off medley 'ya know I'm pretty shot' ?

[doublev2]

From bridgeport to los Angeles to nashville there are crazy stories from all walks of life. Not all can be wrong.

[eddiepagechicago]

Thank you...

I take that as a compliment...

However, I am definitely not Vinnie...
The pic in my profile is me...my youtube channel is me...
When I get the time, I will post note for note solos of COTN & LIU songs Vinnie did.

I will defend him...it feels right for me to do so.

[doublev2]

Eddie , respect
I just have seen and heard way way too much to defend him. Even things that I once defended him on I can not now.

[poserboy71]

Thank you...

I take that as a compliment...

However, I am definitely not Vinnie...
The pic in my profile is me...my youtube channel is me...
When I get the time, I will post note for note solos of COTN & LIU songs Vinnie did.

I will defend him...it feels right for me to do so.

I'm lost. Who accused you of being Vinnie??? I've seen your videos and they are cool.

Pay no attention to that because all of us have been accused of that here. NO BIGGIE !!!

Eddie, WITH RESPECT, all of us have done what you are doing now . We are not judging you at all. We understand your feelings and you are welcome here. Please share your solos . No one is fighting your opinions.
All of us want the same thing , yet sadly, it probably won't occur.

[doublev2]

I was one of the guys who defended him tooth and nail so I know where everyone is coming from.

[Shred4hire]

im a full time musician, and ill have to say i understand all of this .and bro your flat out mistaken about vinnie he got paid.. and he was a work for hire and there were other canidates. just when he fucked up the coin was gone and so was the band.. and the he sued go figure and realy dude you think that there wasnt some kind of label pressure for the album to get done?? and what bout a tour ? the label wants there money too man they sunk tons of cash on it but you should know this. i mean hey that is a factor . and you know he wasnt perfect or flawless either guthrie govan is flawless and so are guys like andy timmons . sorry man i know it sucks to fight the good fight but i state the facts and vinnie was FIRED and his ego got the best of him and that is what costed him the biggest gig of his life. i know this for a fact.

[KissMyAss]

[quote="WizKid"]KMA, I'm not trying to stir things with you but I wonder why you quoted that text about the signature being faked from the legal papers but conveniently left out the fact that the judge asked for a sample of Vinnie's handwriting to confirm said forgery and Vinnie NEVER bothered to provide the sample??


Don't sweat it. You're not stirring up anything. "Conveniently" is a purposeful action. I make mistakes. I present sloppy arguments. Sorry about that...

Vinnie Vincent didn't file on time. Notice the language "timely". He missed a deadline. Also, did he have the money to hire a handwriting analyst? Handwriting analysts don't work pro bono. Bankruptcy wrecks a person's credit. If you don't meet a court deadline the legal system doesn't care about the reason. It's the way the system works, meet the deadline or else....

IV. Post-Petition ("Revenge") Compositions
The district court dismissed Cusano's claims for unpaid royalties on his "Revenge" compositions after (1) construing the "Revenge" agreements as valid and binding on Cusano because he failed timely to respond to a court order requiring a report on handwriting analysis and a supplemental opposition; and (2) granting Defendants' motion for summary judgment after deeming Cusano's failure to file a timely opposition to constitute consent to the granting of the motion. Cusano contends that a significant disputed issue of fact exists regarding whether he signed the "Revenge" agreements, and thus summary judgment was improper. We reject this contention and affirm, but do so on the strength of only one of the rulings of the district court.

I wasn't talking about the signature in the previous post

I was talking about the chapter 11 bankruptcy. Forgive me if I'm wrong, but Chapter 11 bankruptcy only protects your assets during its life, so you may pay back your creditors during that time period. Once it runs out creditors may raid the debtors assets, including intellectual property. You may notice the schedule of payments. This is the foundation of Chapter 11, to protect the debtor, while (s)he is making payments.

BTW, Paul and Gene were listed as creditors. I don't know why Vinnie Vincent owed them money. Perhaps, a loan? Anyway, Gen and Paul had monetary incentive not to pay Vinnie Vincent for his contributions on Revenge.

[doublev2]

kiss my ass, Vinnie signed that deal. I am sorry but vv was desperate and most likely signed a shitty deal. I do not doubt kiss didn't want to pay vv much especially as they were at an all time low on the Revenge tour with ticket sales. If VV didn't sign he would have gotten his shit together because if he could prove they faked the signing then it puts the whole thing of what kiss says into doubt. if he can pay a lawyer to sue he can pay a specialist. Whats the point of suing then?

[doublev2]

a guy who is willing to cold face steal from his best most loyal fans hard earned money is capable of anything in my opinion.

[Shred4hire]

he stole from more than that ..lol

[metatron]

Ok, Ok,,,I see what is needed right now...Yep, you guessed right, it's time for the nude group hug...again. C'mon don't be shy, that means everyone. Huddle around...No Cock-Blocking Rick. Wolfi, nice touch with the surgical face mask. There is enough space for everyone. Even you VV. Now with pencils in hand lets all sign.
Please, No eye contact if you decide to sign with someone else's pencil.

[KissMyAss]

kiss my ass, Vinnie signed that deal. I am sorry but vv was desperate and most likely signed a shitty deal. I do not doubt kiss didn't want to pay vv much especially as they were at an all time low on the Revenge tour with ticket sales. If VV didn't sign he would have gotten his shit together because if he could prove they faked the signing then it puts the whole thing of what kiss says into doubt. if he can pay a lawyer to sue he can pay a specialist. Whats the point of suing then?

He shouldn't try suing KISS, even if he is in the right. The court is never on the side of the debtor in bankruptcy cases.

He should hire a manager and start playing gigs instead. There are alot of college grads in this economy with student loans to pay off. Specifically a "business administration" grad. Cheaper than going to an artist management agency.

[doublev2]

i agree. the big question is can he play and write. He seems to want to re-record ASG, why would he do that if he has new material to record. A lot is being said about VV's capabilty to write anymore seen as he lives in the past and doesn't even attempt to write music for other artists. If he's the guy who could write That TIme of Year and I still love you then why can he not have a career in writing popular songs?
I am not sure but somethings have been said recently that more of the Let Freedom Rock issue was going on than we knew.
But I still agree, he should be touring, but he would ban most of the fans at the gig so it wouldn't work.

[doublev2]

i asure you his live fee would be at least 20k per night plus expenses. that he would need full id info and email addresses for every ticket purchased and would take payment for tickets but screen who was going in and not return money to people not let in. T-shirts on sale would be at least $500 each and $1000 for the signed ones.

[doublev2]

also i wouldn't be surprised if he mimed it too. Or never showed up.

[erg2]

He shouldn't try suing KISS, even if he is in the right. The court is never on the side of the debtor in bankruptcy cases.

He should hire a manager and start playing gigs instead. There are alot of college grads in this economy with student loans to pay off. Specifically a "business administration" grad. Cheaper than going to an artist management agency.

This is all I'm saying. Most likely the truth of the past is somewhere in the middle with G&P fucking Vinnie over somewhat and Vinnie spending all his energy in a losing battle to get back what he feels he deserves.

It's not going to happen.
- Make new music
- Do some touring
- Write a book

[doublev2]

vinnie got a better deal than the guys in his band.
Vinnie's idea of being screwed is he didn't make the exact same money as the two guys who set up the band and did the ground work. And if he didn't like the prostitute hotel (It was the Chelsea right where Andy Warhol lived at the time??) then why didn't he just leave, you can not sue for that, especially when he had no contract.
Also he has said in interviews in the 80s and 90s that he loves Paul and Gene and they are family. So he was or wasn't screwed over then???
Mark St John was well and truly screwed but no one would know his name if he hadn't have had that short stint in Kiss.
I am not even sure VV would have made it with out Kiss if he demanded the kind of money we know he asks for.
Finally if he was screwed why go back and work with Kiss?? Why sue them for a fake signiture 6 years after it happened, he could have stopped them using his music then and there if it was forged. Also why did Bruce and all the other co-writers seem to be happy and only Vinnie that got screwewd . Anyone working with Kiss knows they will not get the best money, just like working with Alice or DLR etc. But you do it for prestige.

I don't believe Kiss screwed him, actually the other way around because they have to face VV taking them to court on a yearly basis.

[doublev2]

plus the record company would be paying Vinnie not Kiss, so Vinnie should be suing Mercury Records not Kiss. I think he is suing Kiss for non payment while he was in the band. I can not think of any other reason other than using his image rights. So if VV was on 120k to 240k a year, lets say 240k then the max he is owed for the 18 months he was in the band would be 360k if they had not paid him a dime. Then what is his image rights or the video kiss put out. I would say max 10k compansation to be kind.

So the most he ever could ask for from kiss is 370k if he had never been paid a dime which is not true because he already said that they cut his wage in half.

If he didn't get paid royalties then Kiss have no say in it as they get paid the same way as vinnie. For example if Mercury didn't pay Vinnie for I love it loud , i doubt they would have paid Gene either.

Also if he said the contract was unreasonable then he didn''t need to join the band.. simple.

I am totally sick of people saying vinnie got screwed. he changes his tune daily and non of it makes any sense.

Writer/publisher mechanical royalties
First, there is the calculation of mechanical royalties for writers and publishers. These royalties are paid by the record company to the publisher. The publisher then pays the writer a share of the royalty (typically split 50/50).
In the United States, the royalties are based on a "statutory rate" set by the U.S. Congress. This rate is increased to follow changes in the economy, usually based on the Consumer Price Index. Currently, the statutory rate is $.08 for songs five minutes or less in length or $.0155 per minute for songs that are over five minutes long. So, for example, a song that is eight minutes long would earn $.124 for each recording sold.
As in most areas in the business world, however, there is room for negotiation. It is not uncommon -- in fact, it is more the norm -- for record companies to negotiate a deal to pay only 75% of the statutory rate, particularly when the writer is also the recording artist. (See the "Controlled Composition Clause" below.) Although there is a statutory rate, there is no law against negotiating a deal for a lower one. Sometimes it is in the best interest of all parties to agree to a lower rate.

[poserboy71]

Vinnie is a filthy maggot .

[eddiepagechicago]

IN THE Supreme Court of the United States
VINCENT CUSANO, p/k/a Vinnie Vincent and d/b/a Streetbeat
Music and d/b/a Vinnie Vincent Music,
Petitioner,
v.
GENE KLEIN, PAUL STANLEY nee STANLEY EISEN, THE KISS
COMPANY, GENE SIMMONS WORLDWIDE, INC., SIMSTAN
MUSIC LTD., KISSTORY LTD., and POLYGRAM RECORDS, INC.,
Respondents.
On Petition for Writ of Certiorari
to the United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit
PETITION FOR WRIT OF CERTIORARI
ERIK S. JAFFE
Counsel of Record
ERIK S. JAFFE, P.C.
5101 34th Street, N.W.
Washington, D.C. 20008
(202) 237-8165
Counsel for Petitioner
Dated: May 22, 2006

(Below starts from page 11 of this case...last paragraph gives me the reason for sticking up for Vinnie...He was not paid his salary in a timely fashion, which then allowed Vinnie to gain ownership of his songwriting On LIU)

STATEMENT OF THE CASE1
1. Petitioner Vincent Cusano, professionally known as
Vinnie Vincent, was the lead guitarist for the rock band KISS
from 1982 to 1984. During that time Petitioner co-authored
and performed, inter alia, eight songs on 1983’s “Lick It Up”
album (hereinafter the LIU compositions).2 The Lick It Up
Album was a tremendous success for KISS, quickly going
platinum and revitalizing the band, whose momentum had
stalled by the early 1980s. The album and its songs continue
to produce considerable revenues to this day.
Under the Copyright Act, 17 U.S.C. § 201, jointly
authored works are co-owned equally by the co-authors,
absent an agreement to the contrary. Petitioner’s undisputed
co-authorship of the LIU compositions thus gave him an
undivided 50% ownership interest in the copyrights for those
compositions, which includes a right to 50% of any royalties
from those compositions. The royalty streams for musical
compositions are ordinarily divided equally into so-called
“songwriter’s” and “publisher’s” shares. Petitioner was both
a co-author and co-publisher of the LIU compositions. Thus,
absent a different agreement, Petitioner was entitled to 25%
of the royalties as his songwriter’s share and 25% of the
1 Unless otherwise noted, the facts are taken from the Ninth Circuit’s 2001
decision from a previous appeal in this case, attached as Appendix B, and
from the subsequent decisions of the district court and the Ninth Circuit
that are the direct objects of this Petition, attached as Appendices C and A,
respectively.
2 While with the band, Petitioner also co-authored and performed three
songs on 1982’s “Creatures of the Night” album, and, after leaving the
band, co-authored another three songs for the KISS album “Revenge.”
Those songs are not at issue in this Petition.
4
royalties as his publisher’s share, for a total 50% of the
royalties commensurate with his 50% copyright ownership.
Beginning in 1982, Petitioner and KISS entered into a
series of agreements regarding ownership of copyrights and
royalties.3 As relevant to the LIU compositions, the first
applicable agreement is a December 8, 1983 employment
agreement (the “1983 Employment Agreement”), which
purports to govern Petitioner’s and Respondents’ rights
concerning the LIU compositions. [Appellant’s Supplemental
Excerpts of Record (“ASE”), Tab 79, at 1533-37.]4 The 1983
Employment Agreement, paragraph 5(a), initially provided
that KISS
shall exclusively own and control one hundred percent
(100%) of all right, title and interest, including the copyrights,
all rights under such copyrights and all rights to
the so-called “publisher’s share” of income [from the
LIU compositions]. All of the types of rights described
in the preceding sentence are sometimes hereinafter referred
to as the “Publishing Rights” * * *. You shall be
entitled to your so-called “songwriter’s share” of income
derived from the [LIU compositions].
1983 Employment Agreement ¶ 5(a). [ASE Tab 79, at 1534.]
That transfer of rights, however, was expressly conditioned
3 Over the course of this litigation there have been disputes as to precisely
what agreements were actually executed. Respondents and the courts below
have treated all of the relevant agreements as being validly executed.
Without taking a position on such prior matters, this Petition will assume
that each of the agreements was properly executed and binding, as such
matters are not relevant to the issue presented herein.
4 The record excerpts in the court of appeals had a number of volumes and
supplements. The initial Appelant’s Excerpts of Record will be abbreviated
“AE.” Appellant’s Supplemental Excerpts of Record will be abbreviated
“ASE.” Appellees’ Supplemental Excerpts of Record, in contrast,
will be the less-abbreviated “Appellees’ SE.” All specific references will
be to the Tab number of the section and bates number of the page of the
relevant set of excerpts.
5
upon the timely payment, by a date certain, of the $50,000
purchase price, as provided in paragraph 5(b) of the
agreement:
Notwithstanding the foregoing [paragraph 5(a)], within
twelve (12) months after the initial commercial release
of the Current LP in the United States, * * * we must
elect to either [reassign your rights to the LIU compositions
or pay you $50,000]. In the event we make such
[$50,000] payment to you prior to the expiration of such
twelve (12) month period, we shall retain the Publishing
Rights in your Lick It Up Compositions, in perpetuity.
In the event we elect not to make such payment or otherwise
fail to make such payment prior to the expiration
of such twelve (12) month period, then the Publishing
Rights in your Lick It Up Compositions shall be deemed
to have been automatically reassigned to you, ab initio
(i.e., just as if such Publishing Rights had, from creation
of your Lick It Up Compositions, remained with you
and subparagraph 5(a) had never been in effect) * * *.
In such latter event, you shall be entitled to receive all
income attributable to the so-called “publisher’s share”
of your Lick It Up Compositions, whenever earned, and
we and you shall promptly enter into a co-publishing
agreement [regarding the LIU compositions in the same
form as a previous such agreement regarding a prior album]
and * * * we shall immediately pay over to you
[your share of any] income theretofore received and/or
credited to us [for the LIU compositions] * * *.
Id. ¶ 5(b) (emphasis added). [ASE Tab 79, at 1535.]
Finally, the agreement incorporated such parts of an
earlier employment agreement as were not inconsistent with
the new agreement, including provisions providing a two-year
period to object to royalty statements and rights to audit
KISS’s books and records in connection with royalty
statements or payments. Id. ¶ 5(a). [ASE Tab 79, at 1534.]
6
In 1984 the parties entered into a Settlement Agreement to
resolve various disputes that arose in connection with the
1983 Employment Agreement. The Settlement Agreement
reaffirmed the relevant elements of the 1983 Employment
Agreement, stated KISS’s intent to exercise the purchase
option contained in ¶ 5(b) of the Employment Agreement, and
amended the required payment date for that option to
September 19, 1984. [ASE Tab 79, at 1582-84.]
Despite Respondents’ intent to exercise their purchase
option for all the LIU composition rights other than
Petitioner’s 25% songwriter’s share of royalties, Petitioner
has consistently maintained that Respondents failed in fact to
exercise that purchase option when they “otherwise fail[ed] to
make such payment prior to” September 19, 1984. 1983
Employment Agreement ¶ 5(b) [ASE Tab 79, at 1535];
Complaint ¶¶ 51-53 [AE Tab 1, at 16-17].5 Respondents thus
forfeited their rights under ¶ 5(a) of the Employment
Agreement and Petitioner’s full 50% ownership rights
(including copyright ownership and rights to his additional
25% publisher’s share of royalties) thus automatically
reverted to him on that date as if ¶ 5(a) “had never been in
effect.” 1983 Employment Agreement ¶ 5(b). [ASE Tab 79,
at 1535.] Furthermore, because both parties failed thereafter
to execute a co-publishing agreement, as they agreed to do in
5 While there seems to be no dispute that the required payment was not
received in the time specified in the Settlement Agreement, Respondents
may well have a different view of the consequences of a subsequent late
payment by them. For the purposes of this Petition, however, it is immaterial
whether the late payment was effective in retroactively exercising
the purchase option, despite the lack of provision for curing a default in
such exercise, or instead became a credit for royalties “immediately” due
under ¶ 5(b) of the Employment Agreement. What is material to this Petition
is that, after September 19, 1984, at worst Petitioner and Respondents
had competing and inconsistent claims to ownership of the copyright and
royalty interests of the LIU compositions. Petitioner, at a minimum, thus
had a colorable claim to full ownership of his 50% co-author rights in the
copyrights and the royalties for the LIU compositions.

[poserboy71]

Wasn't there something about a statute of limitations. Vinnie is always a day late and a dollar short.

Yes, It does suck and we wish Vinnie would have gotten his just due.
Vinnie,Get over it and make new music and quit being a dick to the people that would love to hear from you.

Your #1 Hater,
Rick aka---Poserboy71

[shramiac]

Yes Rick, I'll agree to that!






You are the No.1 hater!!! he he he

[eddiepagechicago]

OK BOYS...

JUST WANTED TO SHOW ALL OF YA THAT GENE AND PAUL WERE ENVIOUS DOUCHE BAGS OF VINNIE'S TALENTS AND WERE FUCKIN' AROUND WITH HIS EARNINGS & LIFESTYLE, EVEN THOUGH...EVEN THOUGH, VINNIE TOTALLY GAVE THOSE STROKES VALIDITY AGAIN WITHIN THE ROCK SCENE...

AT THAT POINT IN ROCK HISTORY, KISS WAS UP AGAINST VERY SUCCESSFUL BANDS - MOTLEY CRUE, DEF LEPPARD, MAIDEN, PRIEST, OSBOURNE ETC...(Does anyone remember Friday Night Videos when Kiss Lick It Up video was against Def Leppard Foolin' Video and Kiss lost the first week out???)

KISS WOULD HAVE NEVER MADE IT THROUGH IF THEY WERE STILL WRITING FUCKIN' SONGS LIKE - SHANDI, SHE'S SO EUROPEAN, YOU'RE ALL THAT I WANT, JUST A BOY...

NEED I SAY MORE...???

GOD DAMN IT!!!......I'm certain that I will have to repeat myself in this forum about all of this.

Why don't you guys just rename this room 'The Gene & Paul Sausage Fest Forum'

[shramiac]

Ahhhh! I think we pretty much agree with what you're saying EPC! We all wish Vinnie got a better deal and I for one wish he never left Kiss and also got to put out killer solo albums at the same time! But he did shoot himself in the foot just a little bit too. The alleged $2000 a week was BIG money back in 82! Heck, it's big money today! Neither party is innocent! I don't think anyone here believes G & P are angels! Only angel we want to deal with is our "fallen angel" Vinnie!!! It really is a shame they couldn't talk things through!

Sadly we'll never know what Animalize could have been with Vinnie and whether Kiss could have been a multi-platinum seller again in the 80s!

[doublev2]

Eddie I agree partly but they would have made it through. Just a year and a half later tears are falling did well, then look at thr next 9 videos they made... All soft stuff. Creatures was hard hitting and sold as badly as unmasked .. it was the make up in my opinion .

[Brooklyn_Born]

The Gene & Paul sausage Fest Forum?? That's killer! Nobody here is big noting G & P Eddie...

We are just frustrated as F*ck at our guitar hero for sitting on those valuable hands for so long & doing nothing... I am within my right to evoke frustration towards vinnie... This is a free speech forum...

[Genebaby]

Eddie, Kiss had already decided that the songs from the last few albums were not to be repeated, even though a lot of people like them today, and a few did then.

They had already realized that they had lost their way and had watered down their sound.

They were fixing this with Creatures and did it with more people than just Vinnie. Creatures was not the Vinnie show. LIU was a continuation and Vinnie did feature heavily and it was fantastic.

Yet, as Dino states, they would have got by without Vinnie, it just would have been different. It's sad it could not work out but heed the tales of many others, Vinnie is bad to work with and he treated his own bandages worse.

[shramiac]

Bandages???? Band members maybe??? I've always thought the Unmasked could have been a heavier album with CON production!?!? Also, how heavy is I Was Made when played live!?!?!?

[Genebaby]

Band members!!! Damn Ipad!!! I didn't notice that one slip by!

Bob Kulick has stated that Naked City was written much heavier, the production on Unmasked changed it a lot.

I love those two albums, I grew up on them, they are special and always will be.

I Was Made is super heavy live!!!

[doublev2]

eddie, got to tell you vinnie's music was much softer than even the unamsked record. have you heard the treasure stuff, gypsy in her eyes, tears etc.
Killers was much heavier without Vinnie and the one of or if not the heaviest Creatures tune (the title track COTN) was not written or played on by Vinnie.
Vinnie had nothing to do with the heavy sound. It was a kiss decission and the producer and engineer were also a big aspect.
Also Vinnie said in one of his big kiss interviews at the time (either is first one or the mtv unamsking, i can not remember) that he had been in a lot of heavy metal bands.. NANE WHICH HEAVY METAL BANDS HE HAD BEEN IN??? he hadn't only Warrior and they were hardly a band, i don't think they even gigged.
Vinnie was in fact a much softer musician than Kiss.. look at Strutter, Parasite, and actually most of there tunes upto Dynasty. Also Dynasty and Unamsked was heavier than Vinnies work. I actually think Kiss made Vinnie heavy. I know Warrior was metal but not as ball busting as Creatures or Lick it up. I also think its bad taste to think Kiss could not write a tune.. and vinnie did it all.. Kiss had written their fair share before Vinnie.

I know Vinnie added something special but he can not take all the credit.. no way.

[doublev2]

eddie , i dont want to sound like an ass because i love your posts and passion and I know you love VV's playing, just like I do. I think its the Dynasty v Creatures thing that the difference. I actually listen to Dynasty more than Creatures so we will never agree totally.
Peace to you Eddie.

[eddiepagechicago]

It's cool...no worries...

I'm just saying that Vinnie is a 'Line of Demarcation' so to speak with Kiss.

I have the Treasure Album...and all the other stuff Vinnie wrote prior to Kiss is light as well...so what.

The fact here is that, Vinnie can write light stuff and very rockin' stuff...Genie and Paulie can't, without a shitload of writers...and even then...it doesn't come close to kickin' your ass like say...Shoot You Full Of Love.

Killers album is far from 'KILLER'...Partners In Crime? I'm A Legend Tonight???
Are you kidding me???

I WILL STOP...WE WILL AGREE THAT WE ARE ALWAYS GONNA DISAGREE.

[Genebaby]

Oh Eddie, I LOVE the four new Killers songs. I also like the production that MJM did on them prior to doing Creatures and LIU.

Killers was a step in the right direction, back to where they wanted to be.

[doublev2]

Eddie. Like your style. I also love killers and if I put myself in eddies shoes I get where hr comes from.

[doublev2]

Interesting that Dan hartman didn't choose to write with him.

[poserboy71]

I WILL STOP...WE WILL AGREE THAT WE ARE ALWAYS GONNA DISAGREE.

Seriously, WHAT AND WHO THE FUCK ARE YOU FIGHTING???

We aren't disagreeing with you and we have definitely not been fighting.

Vinnie is an awesome guitarist and songwriter. He was nice to me when I met him and I count the two concerts of his that I saw as life changing events.

[shramiac]

That's true PB! Your hair turned darker after meeting him!!!!

[poserboy71]

A girl goes through color periods y'know !!!

[PinkWiz]

OK BOYS...

JUST WANTED TO SHOW ALL OF YA THAT GENE AND PAUL WERE ENVIOUS DOUCHE BAGS OF VINNIE'S TALENTS AND WERE FUCKIN' AROUND WITH HIS EARNINGS & LIFESTYLE, EVEN THOUGH...EVEN THOUGH, VINNIE TOTALLY GAVE THOSE STROKES VALIDITY AGAIN WITHIN THE ROCK SCENE...

AT THAT POINT IN ROCK HISTORY, KISS WAS UP AGAINST VERY SUCCESSFUL BANDS - MOTLEY CRUE, DEF LEPPARD, MAIDEN, PRIEST, OSBOURNE ETC...(Does anyone remember Friday Night Videos when Kiss Lick It Up video was against Def Leppard Foolin' Video and Kiss lost the first week out???)

KISS WOULD HAVE NEVER MADE IT THROUGH IF THEY WERE STILL WRITING FUCKIN' SONGS LIKE - SHANDI, SHE'S SO EUROPEAN, YOU'RE ALL THAT I WANT, JUST A BOY...

NEED I SAY MORE...???

GOD DAMN IT!!!......I'm certain that I will have to repeat myself in this forum about all of this.

Why don't you guys just rename this room 'The Gene & Paul Sausage Fest Forum'

Why don't you quit blindly lickin' Vinnie's sausage? As stated a thousand times before, we all here are huge fans of Vinnie and no one here claims that Gene and Paul are 100% in the right, but damn "boy" turn off the CAPS and quit cryin' like a lil bitch when someone doesn't agree with you. Oh, and yes I'm sure you will repeat yourself... again and again... sooooo, go ahead.

[Shred4hire]

OK BOYS...

JUST WANTED TO SHOW ALL OF YA THAT GENE AND PAUL WERE ENVIOUS DOUCHE BAGS OF VINNIE'S TALENTS AND WERE FUCKIN' AROUND WITH HIS EARNINGS & LIFESTYLE, EVEN THOUGH...EVEN THOUGH, VINNIE TOTALLY GAVE THOSE STROKES VALIDITY AGAIN WITHIN THE ROCK SCENE...

AT THAT POINT IN ROCK HISTORY, KISS WAS UP AGAINST VERY SUCCESSFUL BANDS - MOTLEY CRUE, DEF LEPPARD, MAIDEN, PRIEST, OSBOURNE ETC...(Does anyone remember Friday Night Videos when Kiss Lick It Up video was against Def Leppard Foolin' Video and Kiss lost the first week out???)

KISS WOULD HAVE NEVER MADE IT THROUGH IF THEY WERE STILL WRITING FUCKIN' SONGS LIKE - SHANDI, SHE'S SO EUROPEAN, YOU'RE ALL THAT I WANT, JUST A BOY...

NEED I SAY MORE...???

GOD DAMN IT!!!......I'm certain that I will have to repeat myself in this forum about all of this.

Why don't you guys just rename this room 'The Gene & Paul Sausage Fest Forum'

now if you knew what happened youd know that he gave them full ownwer ship
right here ---- after he was fired to "get back in the band" because he HAD to be in kiss because his ego said so against his attorneys best interest...

"Beginning in 1982, Petitioner and KISS entered into a
series of agreements regarding ownership of copyrights and
royalties.3 As relevant to the LIU compositions, the first
applicable agreement is a December 8, 1983 employment
agreement (the “1983 Employment Agreement”), which
purports to govern Petitioner’s and Respondents’ rights
concerning the LIU compositions. [Appellant’s Supplemental
Excerpts of Record (“ASE”), Tab 79, at 1533-37.]4 The 1983
Employment Agreement, paragraph 5(a), initially provided
that KISS
shall exclusively own and control one hundred percent
(100%) of all right, title and interest, including the copyrights,
all rights under such copyrights and all rights to
the so-called “publisher’s share” of income [from the
LIU compositions]. All of the types of rights described
in the preceding sentence are sometimes hereinafter referred
to as the “Publishing Rights” * * *. You shall be
entitled to your so-called “songwriter’s share” of income
derived from the [LIU compositions]."


im sorry eddie i agree that kiss empire sucks ass and vinnie was short handed but it was his own fault and that my friend i am not going to defend especially when he had legal advice and a chance to walk away .

there are a few of us on here that know more about cusano than any one normal person would care to know and that would make your head spin and i am sorry you disagree but hey thats america isnt it\? . but he wasnt just screwed he screwed himself.

[Genebaby]

Vinnie has a history of going against good legal advice and firing his attorney.

[metatron]

Wow Chris, great detective work. That's the final & fatal Smack Down on VV ass. He had to be in KISS. You'd thing if his ego was go big be would have left KISS the first time, not gone back, made a new band & then sued them for the rights he was owed. Big Fuckup VV, Big Fucky. & you had good legal advice. Man that really is a 'fool me twice shame on me' situation. Shame on you VV, not only did you screw yourself over but inturn you've screwed your fans.

[KissMyAss]

i agree. the big question is can he play and write. He seems to want to re-record ASG, why would he do that if he has new material to record. A lot is being said about VV's capabilty to write anymore seen as he lives in the past and doesn't even attempt to write music for other artists. If he's the guy who could write That TIme of Year and I still love you then why can he not have a career in writing popular songs?
I am not sure but somethings have been said recently that more of the Let Freedom Rock issue was going on than we knew.
But I still agree, he should be touring, but he would ban most of the fans at the gig so it wouldn't work.

Right now, Vinnie is basically in the same position as most musicians, except he has a history in the music industry. The music industry has changed alot since Vinnie started out. Pop and rap changed the demand for composers and musicians. It's tougher to get a break....Vinnie should begin renewing his career in the night club circuit. New York, Los Angeles, Las Vegas...all have metal clubs...and Vinnie still has a name. He can sing, play guitar...all he needs to do is organize a back up band. Reading comments on you tube, people seem to favor Vinnie's singing voice anyway..I like his voice..it's a good speaking and singing voice...So he has advantages, and disadvantages... not alot of pull in the biz or money...but alot of talent and he is an influence to a generation of guitar players. He could make more money than he is now. From there, he could think about demos, and releasing material. There are independent labels. Metal Blade is a good one. He's got to start thinking in terms of "baby steps".

The partying got pretty heavy in the 80s, it affected the music, at times. I wouldn't get too focused on the hair metal gone awry albums. Vinnie's guitar playing depends on whether he's practicing. That's an unknown element. We don't know if he sits on the edge of the bed and plays or not.

No matter how Vinnie feels about gossip, he needs to break bread with his fans. Talking about celebrities and former celebrities is part of the culture. He needs to consider the approach, "all publicity is good publicity". All fans are good fans, as well. A business teacher used to tell the class, "the we is smarter than the I." To me, that meant, "we are all playing for the same team..."

[shramiac]

I'm happy to kiss your ass for that last post KMA! Perfect.

[birnie]

..............Vinnie should begin renewing his career in the night club circuit. New York, Los Angeles, Las Vegas...all have metal clubs...and Vinnie still has a name. He can sing, play guitar...all he needs to do is organize a back up band.

Everyone must have watched Rock Star with Marky Mark ? (i love it!)
I would love to see Vinnie doing what Mark (can't remember his screen anme) did after going thru the highs and lows and then playing solo acoustic shows in a tiny bar.
Just him, the guitar, his voice, and the mic.
That's my dream for Vinnie, well for me i guess

Side note:
We (the Central Coast NSW) recently had Jeff Martin play a solo show near by.
I didn't go but a few of my mates went.
Only 30-40 people showed up and it was brilliant aparantly!
And he was chatting to people at the exit door as they left.
how cool would that be if it was the Vin-meister !!!

[doublev2]

If he were smart he knows by being friends with us in his benefit but he needed enemies so he has an excuse for not getting off his ass ...he can say he is a victim of the worst fans possible.. vinnie you turned your fans against you.. its all your doing mister!!!

[erg2]

Eddie,
I don't think anyone here is disagreeing with you. Kiss (G&P) were douchebags and gave VV a lousy deal...but HE accepted the lousy deal. He could've walked away.
I think we all hope that Gene has trouble sleeping at night making his money the way he did...but we all know he is a self centered douche, so he probably looks at it not as if he screwed over someone, but that he "made the best businessman deal".

The bottom line is that it's all in the past. VV has used up his lawsuits and never won.
Stand up. Dust yourself off. Get back to work.

[metatron]

'That why it's call the mu$ic bu$ine$$ & not the friendship business'

[doublev2]

True. Business seems to be everyman for himself .