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Floyd Rose stabilizer

Postby tukoztukoz » Fri Jan 02, 2015 7:58 am

I found a nice Kramer Pacer Deluxe, 1988, bought in San Francisco at the time. The guitar needs some cleaning (electronics, screws). The body and the neck are in a very good condition.
The Floyd made some strange spring noises as I tried it. When I opened the back of the guitar, I discovered that stabilizer I never heard of.
I found this oage on the internet, not very enthusiastic...http://joe.emenaker.com/TremStabilizers/FloydRose.html
What do you think about that, is it useful ?
Here' s a picture ofmy Kramer. I removed the three trem springs.
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Postby Genebaby » Fri Jan 02, 2015 8:19 am

It does not sound promising does it?

I would take it out.

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Re: Floyd Rose stabilizer

Postby shramiac » Fri Jan 02, 2015 9:18 am

Ugh!
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Re: Floyd Rose stabilizer

Postby poserboy71 » Fri Jan 02, 2015 12:36 pm

I have a few trem-setters in some of my guitars. I don't keep up on them so I couldn't give you a vote positively or negatively.

I do know that Steve Vai utilizes them.
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Postby shramiac » Sat Jan 03, 2015 1:04 am

First time I saw Vai in "97, we went across the road to get a drink at McDonalds after the gig. Thomas & Dave Weiner walked in and were quite pleasant. Which was amazing as they had to endure a rancid fart that my mate had let go while waiting line!!! :P :shock: :oops: :(

Back on topic...

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Re: Floyd Rose stabilizer

Postby tukoztukoz » Sat Jan 03, 2015 7:25 am

I read that Kramer didn't insist much with those stabilizers.
As I said, it was noisy and ask more power to do trem bendings. I've removed it, but I'll try it again while fluttering or simulate a broken string (some people say that the guitar will stay in tune...).
I find it strange that people like Steve Vai use a tremsetter. Aren't Floyd always supposed to stay in tune ?
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Re: Floyd Rose stabilizer

Postby Genebaby » Sat Jan 03, 2015 8:31 am

You would use something like a tremsetter to allow for going to Drop D or similar, not for tuning stability in general.

I tried a Tremel-No a few years ago to facilitate the use of a D-Tuna on two of my Charvels. The Tremel-NO was fine for it's purpose, you could lock it down for no movement like a fixed bridge, or only allow the bridge to move up, not down, like EVH does, or go back to full floating.

The D-Tune itself was kind of crappy as it has a fine tuner you need to adjust with a tiny hex tool and I realised that my 46-10 strings, already tuned to E flat on this guitar did not take too kindly to going down to D flat. I put thicker bottom strings on one of them but just gave up on it all and went back to standard.
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Re: Floyd Rose stabilizer

Postby tukoztukoz » Sat Jan 03, 2015 9:51 am

Ok, I think I understand, thanks.

I still wonder why does Vai use a tremsetter. Is the D-tuna the only reason?

I never tried any D-tuna. Once I thought about getting three of them, for the three strings I tune down - I've been tuning all my guitars in open G for years (DGDGBD). But I forgot about it, since I don't play with the standard tuning anymore. So nobody plays my G-tuned guitars except me :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
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Re: Floyd Rose stabilizer

Postby Genebaby » Sat Jan 03, 2015 10:20 am

I just don't bother much with songs tuned in Drop D, or I just play the 4th and 5th strings together if the songs doesn't need any open D chugging.

With the Floyd floating I find I don't have any issue doing double string bends. I think I must compensate or something.
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Re: Floyd Rose stabilizer

Postby tukoztukoz » Sun Jan 11, 2015 7:05 am

I took it out. Here are some pics of the kramer pacer ( i cleaned it ,soldered one wire that was out, and oiled the seized switch).
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Re: Floyd Rose stabilizer

Postby poserboy71 » Sun Jan 11, 2015 7:38 am

That's a sweet ride !
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Postby metatron » Mon Feb 16, 2015 8:24 pm

Think you need a Schaller 'Sure Claw'.
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Re: Floyd Rose stabilizer

Postby tukoztukoz » Mon Feb 16, 2015 11:46 pm

Think you need a Schaller 'Sure Claw'.
Interesting. I checked youbtube videos about that Sure Claw, enjoying discovering guitar gadgets I don't know about...

The picture shows a pink/blue/black guitar. Is it the first AZG VV ? Same as the one we can see on the left and right on this forum? Plus there is the photoshop pics that Poserboy showed recently... Just wondering where is the first AZG, and if there is another one around?
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Re: Floyd Rose stabilizer

Postby metatron » Tue Feb 17, 2015 10:47 am

Interesting. I checked youbtube videos about that Sure Claw, enjoying discovering guitar gadgets I don't know about...

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Oh, tukoztukoz, stay tuned. VVFF elders have some Guitar Hardware that will literally make your head spin.
The picture shows a pink/blue/black guitar. Is it the first AZG VV ? Same as the one we can see on the left and right on this forum? Plus there is the photoshop pics that Poserboy showed recently... Just wondering where is the first AZG, and if there is another one around?

Tukoztukoz. Spot on. That is the one of a kind Pear guitar. Not aware of any others like that one around. There were the other 4 (AZG) that VV stolen from Tom by VV. So that is 5 all up (4 AZG plus one Pear) that as far as anyone is aware. VV has/had them all in his possession. None of which he paid for. & Yes, in the spirit of not letting the whole truth get in the way of a good story there was a little magic touch (or more LOL) of Photoshopping applied to that image residing left and right of this forum as a backdrop. I like that your inquisitive. You seek the Holy Gail of Guitars.
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Re: Floyd Rose stabilizer

Postby ankh » Tue Feb 17, 2015 5:12 pm

I find it strange that people like Steve Vai use a tremsetter. Aren't Floyd always supposed to stay in tune ?
the idea behind a tremsetter is to stabilize tuning when you break a string or when you are making double bends(ala country style).

The way a Floyd-or any kind of floating -trem works, when you break a string there's an unbalance in the trem equilibrium and strings go out of tune.

Also, when you bend a sigle string, the nearer open string goes out of tune,same with double bends(let's say 15fret, second string, and 14 fret ,third string)the other strings in a Floyd equipped-or any kind of floating trem-guitar will go noticeable out of tune.

Having said that, the tremsetter itself it is a bit of a bitch to set it up properly,at least the first models were so.I did use one for a while,many years ago, and it helped,but of course made the whole trem a bit stiffer.
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Re: Floyd Rose stabilizer

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Oh, tukoztukoz, stay tuned. VVFF elders have some Guitar Hardware that will literally make your head spin.


I'll be very happy with it... It's funny that I've been playing the guitar for almost 30 years ( :shock: time goes so fast!) never really caring about guitar hardware, and now it's been three years since I got interested into hardware and regular guitar practice (jazz, jazz chords and gipsy music). Three years that I've discovered VVFFforum too... I guess it goes all together. I even dream sometimes of working as a luthier, but... Well, let's stay an amateur...


Tukoztukoz. Spot on. That is the one of a kind Pear guitar. Not aware of any others like that one around. There were the other 4 (AZG) that VV stolen from Tom by VV. So that is 5 all up (4 AZG plus one Pear) that as far as anyone is aware. VV has/had them all in his possession. None of which he paid for. & Yes, in the spirit of not letting the whole truth get in the way of a good story there was a little magic touch (or more LOL) of Photoshopping applied to that image residing left and right of this forum as a backdrop. I like that your inquisitive. You seek the Holy Gail of Guitars.

Thanks for that information. There was a some kind of a mystery about the Pear guitar. I think I saw some pics of the Pear on the internet, making me believe it was in someone else's hands than Vinnie. I remember Tom Palecki told about Vinnie getting his guitar in a restaurant in the nineties, but is there any pic of Vinnie with that guitar?
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Re: Floyd Rose stabilizer

Postby tukoztukoz » Wed Feb 18, 2015 3:11 am

I find it strange that people like Steve Vai use a tremsetter. Aren't Floyd always supposed to stay in tune ?
the idea behind a tremsetter is to stabilize tuning when you break a string or when you are making double bends(ala country style).

The way a Floyd-or any kind of floating -trem works, when you break a string there's an unbalance in the trem equilibrium and strings go out of tune.

Also, when you bend a sigle string, the nearer open string goes out of tune,same with double bends(let's say 15fret, second string, and 14 fret ,third string)the other strings in a Floyd equipped-or any kind of floating trem-guitar will go noticeable out of tune.

Having said that, the tremsetter itself it is a bit of a bitch to set it up properly,at least the first models were so.I did use one for a while,many years ago, and it helped,but of course made the whole trem a bit stiffer.
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Thanks, I'll try one as soon as possible. It's true that double bends don't sound ok with a trem-equipped guitar
I wonder if flutter is possible with a tremsetter?
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Re: Floyd Rose stabilizer

Postby ankh » Wed Feb 18, 2015 4:12 am

i think the schaller claw mentioned by metatron is easier to mount.Tremsetter needs to hacve a hole scerewed in the back of the guitar, between the two spring claw and not necessarilyan horizontal hole, since it depends at which angle the whole trem stays.Trem setter pointy end needs to travel freely in and out(i just can imagine what PB or Metatron will make of my words :P)of the cavity to counterbalance trem action.

https://www.hipshotproducts.com/faqs/ca ... r-faq.html

sustain will be improved a bit merely since you add mass,and the whole trem will feel stiffer(again.... :roll: ) but you cna do everyhting you did before,including flutters, it just needs a bit more energy.
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Re: Floyd Rose stabilizer

Postby tukoztukoz » Wed Feb 18, 2015 7:21 am

But a Sure Claw is for setting the springs' tension easily, which is different from a tremsetter (hipshot). Am I correct?
Anyway I definitely have to try one of those tremsetters!
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Postby metatron » Wed Feb 18, 2015 10:20 am

have a hole scerewed in / pointy end needs to travel freely in and out (i just can imagine what PB or Metatron will make of my words :P ) of the cavity
feel stiffer /fluffers needs a bit more energy.
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Postby tukoztukoz » Thu Feb 19, 2015 6:39 am

have a hole scerewed in / pointy end needs to travel freely in and out (i just can imagine what PB or Metatron will make of my words :P ) of the cavity
feel stiffer /fluffers needs a bit more energy.
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Re: Floyd Rose stabilizer

Postby ankh » Thu Feb 19, 2015 5:02 pm

But a Sure Claw is for setting the springs' tension easily, which is different from a tremsetter (hipshot). Am I correct?
Anyway I definitely have to try one of those tremsetters!

yes, you're right, maybe something lik the tremol-no should be more appropriate..
or:

http://www.tremol-no.com/faq.asp

or:

http://www.thegearpage.net/board/showth ... p?t=602658

http://www.reddit.com/r/Guitar/comments ... omparison/
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Postby ankh » Thu Feb 19, 2015 5:06 pm

have a hole scerewed in / pointy end needs to travel freely in and out (i just can imagine what PB or Metatron will make of my words :P ) of the cavity
feel stiffer /fluffers needs a bit more energy.
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Postby metatron » Thu Feb 19, 2015 5:35 pm

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Re: Floyd Rose stabilizer

Postby ankh » Mon Mar 23, 2015 6:27 pm

back on topic, you can try this tone too:

http://www.thomann.de/gb/goeldo_backbox.htm

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if you read the comments, it seems to be easier to install than the tremsetter, the instructions are in german(or you can look for "Kluson backbox) but there are viedeos on youtube where it is explained how to set it up properly
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Re: Floyd Rose stabilizer

Postby tukoztukoz » Mon Mar 23, 2015 11:12 pm

15 €, that's not too expensive. I'll get one next time I order something at Thomann. They have a nice Rickenbacker 620 MG for example...
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It says it's for vintage trems?


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