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Vinnie's Hard Rock Hotel guitar

Postby shramiac » Tue Apr 28, 2015 5:08 pm

The good people at the Hard Rock Hotel in Pattaya, Thailand have been kind enough to send me a couple of close up shots of Vinnie's pink Rhoads guitar (Believe me, they won't sell it. I've tried a couple of times to buy it!) and without a doubt, it IS one of the original gold Rhoads that Vinnie used on the CoTN & LIU tours. Admittedly it's been chopped and changed a bit over the years and like I've said many times, such a shame the original gold Jackson logo was painted over but I guess at the time, nostalgia wasn't something on anyone's mind when it was re-done. No doubt the pink was done a second time due to road damage from touring before being handed over to the Hard Rock company.

String tree missing but who cares! Maybe because the original hardware was chrome and a black one couldn't be found? With the Floyd nut, it's not needed anyway.
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As we all suspected, no serial number!
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And now the clincher for me! Even taking account of possible camera flash flare, the 7th & 9th fret inlays match in these two pictures! The 7th fret inlay is a very squigglie MoP but in both pictures, you can see the same mark between the G & B strings. The 9th fret inlay has the same 15°angle shaded part on the bottom of the inlay that starts at the high E and finishes between the B & G string..
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Re: Vinnie's Hard Rock Hotel guitar

Postby birnie » Tue Apr 28, 2015 5:52 pm

I'm surprised he doesn't go back to say it's his property and reclaim

Nice of em to send the pics !
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Re: Vinnie's Hard Rock Hotel guitar

Postby Streetbeat » Wed Apr 29, 2015 4:49 am

How did the get this guitar?
Did he sell this directly ?

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Re: Vinnie's Hard Rock Hotel guitar

Postby tukoztukoz » Wed Apr 29, 2015 5:05 am

At last something solid about Vinnie's guitars! Nice observation job!
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Postby poserboy71 » Wed Apr 29, 2015 6:20 am

Yes. I remember that a few of us made the argument that the markings on the fretboard are the same as the old pics. Great job !
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Re: Vinnie's Hard Rock Hotel guitar

Postby Genebaby » Wed Apr 29, 2015 9:59 am

Depending how I look it seems that there is binding over the frets, which they stopped doing around 86, it was too time consuming for no real benefit.

So if its a real Jackson it's fairly early. That trem is from late 87/88 when Jackson introduced the JT6, which kinda makes sense as Vinnie liked to use the old non-fine tuner Floyd and would have taken it with him.

I'm not as sure about the fret markers, I don't have that much of an eye for detail.

It does seem they acquired it personally from Vinnie somehwow, with his little note on the body there so it legitimately came from him direct it seems.

The lack of a serial worries me, as Jackson were serialising everything after Randy's two guitars, so this guitar SHOULD have a serial that looks like RRxxxx.

See the chart on this page: http://www.jacksonguitars.com/en-AU/sup ... l-numbers/

Randy's mother received RR0000 and the numbers went up from there. Artist guitars are mixed in with everyone else's custom order, so no serial is a very suspicious thing. If you were making a copy, what serial could you give it? None, as being a neck through, there would be a legit guitar somewhere with the same number. Taking the neckplate off a bolt-on is different, as the serial goes with the plate.
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Re: Vinnie's Hard Rock Hotel guitar

Postby shramiac » Wed Apr 29, 2015 2:40 pm

Definitely has the binding over the fret ends.

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As for serial number...looking as close as I can get, there almost looks like there are some marks there?

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Hard Rock were great with the quality of the pictures. The two display pictures are pretty big. The pants/guitar shot is 3456 x 5184 (5.12MB)! You can print a quality poster with that size!
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Re: Vinnie's Hard Rock Hotel guitar

Postby Genebaby » Wed Apr 29, 2015 2:52 pm

Yes, the binding is there, and I can ALMOST see something where the serial should be. I've been mucking about in Photoshop but I can't get anything to appear like I was hoping. Its like I can almost see an R there.

The nut area looks a bit strange, almost like this was a non Floyd guitar that got converted.

For some reason a few of the old Jacksons, among others, got string trees when they were not needed due to the headstock angle, much like a LP. This one obviously had one at some point.

Another oddity, if it was being redone by Jackson then they or Vinnie should have put the original hand logo on there, not a more current one. It would have been totally fine, as it was there before, now it looks like a much older build guitar.

If only we could get a REALLY good look at that serial number......
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Re: Vinnie's Hard Rock Hotel guitar

Postby shramiac » Wed Apr 29, 2015 4:46 pm

I know I'm testing the patience of the good people at the HR Hotel but I asked if there was any sign of the number! :shock: :shock: :shock:

Asked them to look for something this...
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Either way, the inlay similarities in the two side by side photos convinces me that it's the same guitar. No way you could replicate those random, nature made, Mother of Pearl patterns. Kudos to Vinnie for handing over one of his old favourites to be displayed.

He used a tree when the guitar was gold (well on one of the gold ones, can't tell which one from this shot), so I doubt it was a regular nut converted.
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Re: Vinnie's Hard Rock Hotel guitar

Postby Genebaby » Wed Apr 29, 2015 6:17 pm

Yeah, I've seen the string tree in the older photos, it's just so strange to ruin the logo.
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Re: Vinnie's Hard Rock Hotel guitar

Postby Sandimas » Mon May 04, 2015 4:06 am

We discussed this guitar a few years ago based on the Cardiff Hard Rock pics and I for one was convinced enough it was legit.

The other fact I noted was where the neck joint sits - if you compare RR models from 1983 to later ones the shoulders on the body appear about one fret further up the neck on the later ones. The Hard Rock example is a super early guitar for sure.

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Re: Vinnie's Hard Rock Hotel guitar

Postby tukoztukoz » Mon May 04, 2015 4:39 am

So the RR1 on sale at Julien is an old RR1 too (same neckjoint place)?
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Re: Vinnie's Hard Rock Hotel guitar

Postby shramiac » Mon May 04, 2015 8:49 am

About time you showed up Sandi! :P :P :P :D :D :D


There might just well be an oldie at the auction, tukoz! If so, it also means that the second gold Rhoads was at some point during the LIU tour re-painted pink. :(
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Re: Vinnie's Hard Rock Hotel guitar

Postby doublev2 » Mon May 04, 2015 4:47 pm

Sorry not convinced by the inlay argument the 15th fret inlay totally different
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Re: Vinnie's Hard Rock Hotel guitar

Postby doublev2 » Mon May 04, 2015 4:48 pm

There is no serial I have seen it close up.
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Re: Vinnie's Hard Rock Hotel guitar

Postby doublev2 » Mon May 04, 2015 4:50 pm

Send the picture to grover and Shannon. They will confirm
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Postby doublev2 » Mon May 04, 2015 4:53 pm

Third marker not the same either.
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Re: Vinnie's Hard Rock Hotel guitar

Postby Genebaby » Tue May 05, 2015 9:00 pm

Pattaya was in the news today.......

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Re: Vinnie's Hard Rock Hotel guitar

Postby birnie » Wed May 06, 2015 7:23 am

Haha, awesome

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Postby doublev2 » Thu May 07, 2015 12:13 am

Perfect place for vinnies guitar.
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Re: Vinnie's Hard Rock Hotel guitar

Postby tukoztukoz » Thu May 07, 2015 2:11 am

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Re: Vinnie's Hard Rock Hotel guitar

Postby shramiac » Thu May 07, 2015 9:33 am

Been waiting for someone to say something like that! :shock: :oops: :|

The HR got back to me and have said there is definitely NO serial number on the guitar!

This of course fits in with the Jackson serial number database that says that serial numbers didn't start until 1983.
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Re: Vinnie's Hard Rock Hotel guitar

Postby Genebaby » Thu May 07, 2015 12:09 pm

Been waiting for someone to say something like that! :shock: :oops: :|

The HR got back to me and have said there is definitely NO serial number on the guitar!

This of course fits in with the Jackson serial number database that says that serial numbers didn't start until 1983.
Ok, cool. By coincidence I will be in the area next month, so I will travel to this HRH and see this guitar in person and place my eyeballs all over it.
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Re: Vinnie's Hard Rock Hotel guitar

Postby Genebaby » Fri May 08, 2015 6:16 pm

Alright Mr Vincent, I am booked in for two nights at the Pattaya Hard Rock next month, can't wait.
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Re: Vinnie's Hard Rock Hotel guitar

Postby tukoztukoz » Fri May 08, 2015 11:35 pm

Don't forget to wear a helmet if you walk across Pattaya streets!
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Postby Genebaby » Sat May 09, 2015 6:24 am

Don't forget to wear a helmet if you walk across Pattaya streets!
Ha, ha, I'll maybe have to be a bit nicer to the pushy ones!
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