i took some pictures on my cellphone. problem is they are not good. the light was too low, my camera was too shit and their was a family eating in front o the guitar so i could not get any good angles and well as it being a little to high up on the wall.
i have little time to put them on imageshack just now, but hope to in a few days. i can confirm no serial number, which may add up if its an early version of the guitar.
vinnie's guitar in wales hard rock
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judging by any and all of the pictures i have seen that guitar isnt consistant with any of the other ones like it the head stock is a dead ringer foir one that one is in pink the ones from LIU era all have black head stocks from all th pics i have seen un less this was a back up which is possible,
also the non original floyd rose in black.. his was crhome on most of the pics , and the controls were diffrent on this one.. just an observation..
what do you think dino?
also the non original floyd rose in black.. his was crhome on most of the pics , and the controls were diffrent on this one.. just an observation..
what do you think dino?
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yes, is it possible that jackson would have re-done the headstock some time after he left kiss?
the trem is for sure put on later and i think vv would have taken the original non fine tuning off of that one to put on a newer guitar.
the controls are what i don't know about.
the plaque which i have a photograph says it was used in the studio on both creatures and lick it up and used live on both creatures and lick it up tours, it however does not match the one in the photo they have of him at least the one in the picture has a black headstock.
if the controls don't match any of the guitars he has been phptpgrpahed with then i don't believe he used it, but i think if they do the headstock and trem issue could be explained, especially the trem. the headstock change is strange to me. and if this has no serial then its a good chance it was made for randy , which would make it more important and i would not think re-painting the headstock, especially since v used his own model after kiss, makes a lot of sense . surely jackson would have done the work since it has their decal and MADE IN THE USA written on it.
the trem is for sure put on later and i think vv would have taken the original non fine tuning off of that one to put on a newer guitar.
the controls are what i don't know about.
the plaque which i have a photograph says it was used in the studio on both creatures and lick it up and used live on both creatures and lick it up tours, it however does not match the one in the photo they have of him at least the one in the picture has a black headstock.
if the controls don't match any of the guitars he has been phptpgrpahed with then i don't believe he used it, but i think if they do the headstock and trem issue could be explained, especially the trem. the headstock change is strange to me. and if this has no serial then its a good chance it was made for randy , which would make it more important and i would not think re-painting the headstock, especially since v used his own model after kiss, makes a lot of sense . surely jackson would have done the work since it has their decal and MADE IN THE USA written on it.
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No serial after the last fret makes it interesting. That's an 87/88 era Jackson Floyd copy.
If it was such an early Rhoads then it's a travesty to change the headstock, I don't think Jackson would have done that. If it needed work it would have gone back to original.
The controls can be changed by swapping the control plate but once again, an actual Creatures/LIU era Rhoads is a lot better in original condition, not once it's messed with.
The lack of serial and the rather rare reverse sharkfins make everything a bit muddy though.
Dino, I wish you had brought a better camera with you!
If it was such an early Rhoads then it's a travesty to change the headstock, I don't think Jackson would have done that. If it needed work it would have gone back to original.
The controls can be changed by swapping the control plate but once again, an actual Creatures/LIU era Rhoads is a lot better in original condition, not once it's messed with.
The lack of serial and the rather rare reverse sharkfins make everything a bit muddy though.
Dino, I wish you had brought a better camera with you!
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i go back in 10 days and will bring my film medium format film camera and a 15 mega pixel camera with a flash.
the guy said he would let me take it down once the family had stopped eating but i didn't have time. i will try that next time.
yes, the inlays are what makes it seem possibly real. its a really weird one. i just don't see the headstock being changed color if it was a 1982 (or earlier) model like it says on plaque.
the one thing i thought of is it may have been the rr v in the boyz r gonna rock video with the additional cut out extra v so he would hace changed the headstock color to try and match it. its still hard to imagine doing that. It is clear vinnie does re-paint his guitars however.
it is a puzzle , i am 50/50 on it.
I think i am not an expert like vic, chris, teej, tj mons, quentin, freddy and everyone else.
i also can not be bothered to look through old pictures at this point in time.
i was waiting for spyder or suzie to indirectly answer the question.
p.s i do find some of the descriptions of me by spyder/suzie pretty funny.
the guy said he would let me take it down once the family had stopped eating but i didn't have time. i will try that next time.
yes, the inlays are what makes it seem possibly real. its a really weird one. i just don't see the headstock being changed color if it was a 1982 (or earlier) model like it says on plaque.
the one thing i thought of is it may have been the rr v in the boyz r gonna rock video with the additional cut out extra v so he would hace changed the headstock color to try and match it. its still hard to imagine doing that. It is clear vinnie does re-paint his guitars however.
it is a puzzle , i am 50/50 on it.
I think i am not an expert like vic, chris, teej, tj mons, quentin, freddy and everyone else.
i also can not be bothered to look through old pictures at this point in time.
i was waiting for spyder or suzie to indirectly answer the question.
p.s i do find some of the descriptions of me by spyder/suzie pretty funny.
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Well, Vinnie signed thsi one away and I sure as heck wouldn't give one of the first Rhoads guitars away. Do we know when they got this from Vinnie?
When you go back, please take pictures of the area where the neck meets the body, and if you can see inside the back cavities, sometimes they don't have the covers on them. I want to see if we can tell how original the paintjob is, or how good it is in general.
Lots of high res, close up shots please, of all aspects. A good look at the decal will help. A close up of where the serial should be after the last fret.
Maybe there are some markings or something on the back of it? Maybe some old paint showing through, or just the original primer?
When you go back, please take pictures of the area where the neck meets the body, and if you can see inside the back cavities, sometimes they don't have the covers on them. I want to see if we can tell how original the paintjob is, or how good it is in general.
Lots of high res, close up shots please, of all aspects. A good look at the decal will help. A close up of where the serial should be after the last fret.
Maybe there are some markings or something on the back of it? Maybe some old paint showing through, or just the original primer?
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i have a bad picture of that. i looked closely as there are lots of scrapes and scratches and coulld see no gold coming through. i will try to get those pictures of my camera and onto imageshack.
remember this was used during the recording of creatures. i find that odd as i thought vinnie was not even in the band until after the recording and i did not think jackson were going to give him a guitar unless he was 'in' kiss. I don't know but I thought he used the charvel on creatures, anyone know for sure? i will give you a link to the plaque, all be it hard rock may have made the mistake on that.
hard rock are contactable, but only by phone. they maybe able to say if they have a statement that claims the v was used on creatures of the night or night.
put it this way would jackson handed vinnie cusano (not yet VV) the guitar/guitars before he joined kiss and i remember vinnie saying that once he joined kiss he asked jackson for something special.
remember this was used during the recording of creatures. i find that odd as i thought vinnie was not even in the band until after the recording and i did not think jackson were going to give him a guitar unless he was 'in' kiss. I don't know but I thought he used the charvel on creatures, anyone know for sure? i will give you a link to the plaque, all be it hard rock may have made the mistake on that.
hard rock are contactable, but only by phone. they maybe able to say if they have a statement that claims the v was used on creatures of the night or night.
put it this way would jackson handed vinnie cusano (not yet VV) the guitar/guitars before he joined kiss and i remember vinnie saying that once he joined kiss he asked jackson for something special.
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i think he had two with the reverse shark inlays, then he was seen in creatures era with a white one with dot inlays and a black one with dot inlays during lick it up with a pink one with non reverse inlays. one for sure was gold and resprayed pink as it is clear in a photo.
so if thats the case the one at the hard rock had to have been gold at one stage.
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the gold paint will be the tell tale, i still think its some guitar he just had around. maybe even had it painted pink and sold it to the cafe just for the bux i can geta repray for around 300 and a decal also for 25, pick ups 35 used and 50 for the emg. and getting a rhoads v from japan or korea (400) or even a usa for 800 bones. (thats if he even paid for it )
if it costed him even 1400 still could would have made a great profit .. i feel its a fake..
if it costed him even 1400 still could would have made a great profit .. i feel its a fake..
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the controls are slightly in different places. the vol seems to be uniform with the vv kiss ones but the other two controls are closer together than on all the ones vv as pictured with kiss. does anyone see that. the kiss ones seem to be evenly spaced but the hard rock one seem to be closer together.
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its still a close one, but certainly its not the same guitar as it was if it is for real, as the trem and headstock as well as the controls are different. a steve vai gem is in the same cafe and that has not been altered at all.
strange to me he wouldn't donate the dot inlay one over this.
yes freddy needs to look and quentin.
strange to me he wouldn't donate the dot inlay one over this.
yes freddy needs to look and quentin.
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I think it may be real. I'm surprised Vinnie left an EMG in it. It's great that they're gonna let you take it off the wall and photograph it ! The location of the controls doesn't matter being that it could be a new pick guard. Is the autograph UNDER the clear coat ? It sure looks to be !
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I hope those screws holding the guitar to the wall aren't piercing the body.
I retract the "It's Real" statement. No serial number equals an Ed Roman Rip-off to me !!! I don't believe Vinnie would be stupid or desperate enough to desecrate an ORIGINAL Rhoads V.
I retract the "It's Real" statement. No serial number equals an Ed Roman Rip-off to me !!! I don't believe Vinnie would be stupid or desperate enough to desecrate an ORIGINAL Rhoads V.
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Interesting pics Dino, no matter what the quality. I appreciate the effort you went to, if I'd gone in with my family and hung about at someone else's table taking guitar pics then my lot would have disowned me!
Anyway, as well as the patterns in the pearl inlays matching the gold/pink Lick it Up tour guitar, you can also clearly see the holes from the original Floyd Rose retaining bar behind the nut, either side of the truss rod cover That Cardiff guitar did NOT come with one of those JT6 trems as they had a Kahler type nut lock. And the non fine tuner ones are hard to find, so what does he do when he sells the axe? Stick on whatever he can sub in from a later guitar.
That's the original guitar, gutted and repainted, believe me. About the only original thing is the wood, but it's the same guitar.
Anyway, as well as the patterns in the pearl inlays matching the gold/pink Lick it Up tour guitar, you can also clearly see the holes from the original Floyd Rose retaining bar behind the nut, either side of the truss rod cover That Cardiff guitar did NOT come with one of those JT6 trems as they had a Kahler type nut lock. And the non fine tuner ones are hard to find, so what does he do when he sells the axe? Stick on whatever he can sub in from a later guitar.
That's the original guitar, gutted and repainted, believe me. About the only original thing is the wood, but it's the same guitar.
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so it is actually one that had been made for randy most likely. yet no one knows. why do you think he changed the headstock color?
are you sure the controls are in the same place?
i wasn't with my family. i went in at about 3pm and the only people eating in that place were a family directly in front of the guitar. it was pretty uncomfortable taking pictures of it .
thanks for your input sandimas
are you sure the controls are in the same place?
i wasn't with my family. i went in at about 3pm and the only people eating in that place were a family directly in front of the guitar. it was pretty uncomfortable taking pictures of it .
thanks for your input sandimas
I don't think so either. That's the kind of guitar you'd take out live because of how it looks on stage, not to get a particular sound in the studio.
By the way, that full frontal shot you posted nails the evidence of the pearl inlays. I'll do a little montage tomorrow when I pride the laptop from my kids hands. I'm on the iPhone right now...
By the way, that full frontal shot you posted nails the evidence of the pearl inlays. I'll do a little montage tomorrow when I pride the laptop from my kids hands. I'm on the iPhone right now...
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