Kerrang 100 greatest albums of all time

Brainsaw · Post by **Brainsaw** » Mon Dec 10, 2012 7:02 pm

1. Led Zeppelin - Physical Graffiti
2. Van Halen - Van Halen
3. Led Zeppelin - Led Zeppelin IV
4. Montrose - Montrose
5. Guns n'Roses - Appetite For Destruction
6. Def Leppard - Hysteria
7. Metallica - Master Of Puppets
8. Jimi Hendrix Experience - Electric Ladyland
9. Aerosmith - Rocks
10. AC/DC - Back In Black
11. Aerosmith - Permanent Vacation
12. Led Zeppelin - Led Zeppelin II
13. Sex Pistols - Never Mind The Bollocks Here's The Sex Pistols
14. Rainbow - Rising
15. Deep Purple - In Rock
16. Metallica - Ride The Lightning
17. Judas Priest - Sad Wings Of Destiny
18. Led Zeppelin - Led Zeppelin
19. Def Leppard - Pyromania
20. Aerosmith - Live Bootleg
21. Kiss - Alive
22. Blue Öyster Cult - Secret Treaties
23. Motörhead - No Sleep 'Til Hammersmith
24. Rush - 2112
25. New York Dolls - New York Dolls
26. AC/DC - Powerage
27. Slayer - Reign In Blood
28. UFO - Lights Out
29. Metallica - Kill 'Em All
30. Van Halen - Women And Children First
31. Black Sabbath - Black Sabbath
32. Journey - Escape
33. Legs Diamond - Legs Diamond
34. Queensrÿche - Operation: Mindcrime
35. Deep Purple - Machine Head
36. Kiss - Destroyer
37. Aerosmith - Draw The Line
38. Meat Loaf - Bat Out Of Hell
39. Black Sabbath - Paranoid
40. Bad Company - Bad Company
41. Jimi Hendrix Experience - Are You Experienced?
42. Metallica - ... And Justice For All
43. Rush - Moving Pictures
44. Bon Jovi - Slippery When Wet
45. Motörhead - Overkill
46. Judas Priest - Screaming For Vengeance
47. UFO - Strangers In The Night
48. Black Sabbath - Vol 4
49. Bryan Adams - Reckless
50. Thin Lizzy - Live And Dangerous
51. Moot The Hoople - Live
52. Aerosmith - Toys In The Attic
53. Black Sabbath - Master Of Reality
54. Bon Jovi - Bon Jovi
55. The Stooges - Funhouse
56. UFO - Obsession
57. Black Sabbath - Sabotage
58. Motörhead - Ace Of Spades
59. Ted Nugent - Ted Nugent
60. Iggy And The Stooges - Raw Power
61. MC5 - Kick Out The Jams
62. Blue Öyster Cult - Agents Of Fortune
63. Angel - Angel
64. Judas Priest - Unleashed In The East
65. Iron Maiden - The Number Of The Beast
66. Def Leppard - High 'n' Dry
67. Van Halen - 1984
68. Magnum - Chase The Dragon
69. Iggy Pop - Instinct
70. David Lee Roth - Eat'em And Smile
71. Thin Lizzy - Thunder And Lightning
72. Blue Öyster Cult - Some Enchanted Evening
73. Judas Priest - Stained Class
74. Alice Cooper - Billion Dollar Babies
75. Deep Purple - Made In Japan
76. Van Halen - Van Halen II
77. Magnum - On A Storyteller's Night
78. Michael Bolton - Everybody's Crazy
79. Black Sabbath - Mob Rules
80. ZZ Top - Eliminator
81. Whitesnake - Ready An' Willing
82. Iron Maiden - Live After Death
83. Boston - Boston
84. Starz - Violation
85. Rush - Rush
86. Anthrax - Spreading The Disease
87. Foghat - Foghat Live
88. Queensrÿche - Rage For Order
89. David Lee Roth - Skyscraper
90. Mother's Finest - Iron Age
91. Iron Maiden - Iron Maiden
92. Blue Öyster Cult - On Your Feet Or On Your Knees
93. Jimi Hendrix Experience - Smash Hits
94. Starz - Starz
95.Saxon - Wheels Of Steel
96. AC/DC - If You Want Blood - You Got It
97. Uriah Heep - Look At Yourself
98. Queen - A Night At The Opera
99. Iron Maiden - Killers
100. Vinnie Vincent Invasion - Vinnie Vincent Invasion

Brainsaw · Post by **Brainsaw** » Mon Dec 10, 2012 7:08 pm

Kerrang! Albums Of The Year 1986

1. David Lee Roth - Eat'em And Smile
2. Slayer - Reign In Blood
3. Metallica - Master Of Puppets
4. Bon Jovi - Slippery When Wet
5. Peter Gabriel - So
6. Megadeth - Peace Sells ... But Who's Buying?
7. Iron Maiden - Somewhere In Time
8. Vinnie Vincent Invasion - Vinnie Vincent Invasion
9. Magnum - Vigilante
10. Queensrÿche - Rage For Order
11. Poison - Look What The Cat Dragged In
12. Billy Idol - Whiplash Smile
13. Georgia Satellites - Georgia Satellites
13. Aerosmith - Classics Live
13. Beastie Boys - Licensed To Ill
16. AC/DC - Who Made Who
17. Van Halen - 5150
18. Run DMC - Raising Hell
19. Judas Priest - Turbo
19. GTR - GTR

doublev2 · Post by **doublev2** » Mon Dec 10, 2012 7:23 pm

Yes . 1986. I agree with this but dont be fooled.. I had a friend who worked for kerrang and those readers polls and not science. They had filled out forms sent in the mail and some 16 year old high school drop outs counting them up and then other interference too. But in uk I do believe this the top 100 is just put together at opinion of staff working at time of poll.
In 86 vvi was some what known by the kids but I wouldnt say big by any means.
In 88 vv was obscure as hell.

poserboy71 · Post by **poserboy71** » Tue Dec 11, 2012 2:07 am

BS, All of us here love VVI.

I don't see your point in thinking you are slamming us with knowledge.
We have told you that VVI material was hard to come by.
The hardcore fans (all of us at the VVFF) have always sought out anything we could.
It WAS/IS difficult.

We don't accept BS here.
An album doesn't sell that much ,that quick, then fall into obscurity.

doublev2 · Post by **doublev2** » Tue Dec 11, 2012 2:24 am

By those bs stats the videos killed the sales. Chrysalis would have been kissin vvs ass with those sales.
You maybe cinfusing sales for shipments. Dont forget aprox 20k record stores in 88. Asg shipped on vinyl cassette and cd.. if I record store took 2 copies of each its anout 60k just to get into every record store. But asg tanked. Even with hosting the ball it did nothing. Seriously it was way under the radar.

KissMyAss · Post by **KissMyAss** » Tue Dec 11, 2012 3:32 am

The Vinnie Vincent Invasion debut album did well. The second Vinnie Vincent Invasion album didn't do as well as expected.

KissMyAss · Post by **KissMyAss** » Tue Dec 11, 2012 3:51 am

Michael Bolton???WTF??? The Rolling Stones are much better

Bon Jovi is better than Credence Clearwater Revival??? I don't think so. This the reason that I say, "democracy sucks!"
These magazine polls prove that people stink at voting. At least Reign in blood, Operation Mindcrime, A night at the Opera, and Master of Puppets made it. Where's the MEGADETH???

KissMyAss · Post by **KissMyAss** » Tue Dec 11, 2012 4:05 am

Where are the Scorpions???

reneroxx · Post by **reneroxx** » Tue Dec 11, 2012 6:20 am

WHERE A FUCK IS HELLOWEEN?

doublev2 · Post by **doublev2** » Tue Dec 11, 2012 6:23 am

You can not trust those things. Vv and his angels rigged number 2 spot in the recent guitar world poll.

poserboy71 · Post by **poserboy71** » Tue Dec 11, 2012 6:28 am

Hell, We voted on that poll too !!!!

Brainsaw · Post by **Brainsaw** » Tue Dec 11, 2012 6:29 am

KissMyAss wrote:The Vinnie Vincent Invasion debut album did well. The second Vinnie Vincent Invasion album didn't do as well as expected.

Based upon what? Where's your facts to back up that false claim?

Don't post Wikipedia b.s. Actual facts.

poserboy71 · Post by **poserboy71** » Tue Dec 11, 2012 6:40 am

Brainsaw wrote:
KissMyAss wrote:The Vinnie Vincent Invasion debut album did well. The second Vinnie Vincent Invasion album didn't do as well as expected.
Based upon what? Where's your facts to back up that false claim?

Don't post Wikipedia b.s. Actual facts.

I EXPECTED the band to stay together.

doublev2 · Post by **doublev2** » Tue Dec 11, 2012 7:27 am

Brainsaw has no facts and wasnt their. This is a troll.

Brainsaw · Post by **Brainsaw** » Tue Dec 11, 2012 7:32 am

poserboy71 wrote:
Brainsaw wrote:
KissMyAss wrote:The Vinnie Vincent Invasion debut album did well. The second Vinnie Vincent Invasion album didn't do as well as expected.
Based upon what? Where's your facts to back up that false claim?

Don't post Wikipedia b.s. Actual facts.

I EXPECTED the band to stay together.

They might have had the Feb 1988 directive come out. That certainly didn't help things.

Maybe things would have been different if the album had come out in January as opposed to May but Chrysalis wanted to hold off for their big push they made for the album.

VVI needed to be an opening act again. The tour fiasco was a huge mistake. First a co-headlining tour with MSG was to start around May 20. Then that fell through. Then you got what you got. Thrown together, last minute.

doublev2 · Post by **doublev2** » Tue Dec 11, 2012 7:34 am

No big push from chrysalis just some ads in magazines.

Post by **Genebaby** » Tue Dec 11, 2012 10:12 am

Kerrang loved both the Invasion albums, as they should have, they were brilliant.

Brainsaw · Post by **Brainsaw** » Tue Dec 11, 2012 12:11 pm

Genebaby wrote:Kerrang loved both the Invasion albums, as they should have, they were brilliant.

Kerrang just loved Vinnie. They gave him some of the best coverage of anyone.

My favorite article was him in his warrior makeup with the title: THE GREAT KISS OFF!

They really played up both Invasion albums.

Both of them got KKKKK review's.

Each album in the staff's choices.... made most of the lists... Some even as their top choice.

and Kerrang was paid back by getting the first VV exclusive..and talking about Guitars From Hell. And he's ripping "All Systems Go" and says it should have been ABORT MISSION... he's still pissed then as to how it was watered down.

poserboy71 · Post by **poserboy71** » Tue Dec 11, 2012 12:13 pm

BS, Do you have the unfiltered ASG ?

Brainsaw · Post by **Brainsaw** » Tue Dec 11, 2012 12:42 pm

poserboy71 wrote:BS, Do you have the unfiltered ASG ?

I don't think so.

I'm not sure what I have and I'm not even sure where the "tapes" are...

I have a bunch of tapes from Cherokee Studios etc... but I can't remember which versions are on there or what. It's been way too long since I looked to see what was in there. Offhand, I can't even remember where they are...

KissMyAss · Post by **KissMyAss** » Tue Dec 11, 2012 1:56 pm

Brainsaw wrote:
KissMyAss wrote:The Vinnie Vincent Invasion debut album did well. The second Vinnie Vincent Invasion album didn't do as well as expected.
Based upon what? Where's your facts to back up that false claim?

Don't post Wikipedia b.s. Actual facts.

First of all, you used Wikipedia as a citation yourself.
Second, closed mindedly perceiving others arguments as false and yours as true is bias of your own opinion.
Finally, I have other articles.

Interview with Bobby Rock speculating on whether a second video to the debut album would push it over god (500,000 copies is gold). No Substitute is on the debut album, and not ASG

KF: There was reportedly a video for "No Substitute" in the works. Do you think a second video would have ultimately helped push sales of the album past gold?

BR: Yes, I personally do. It was a real disappointment when Chrysalis decided to pack it in after we did the Iron Maiden tour and start working on a new record. However, I didn't see what the label saw. Maybe they were already way in the red on this thing, or were experiencing a lot of resistance at radio and MTV, and who knows what else. But theoretically, yes, it seemed premature to pull the plug.

http://www.kissfaq.com/KissFAQ-wiki/ind ... Bobby_Rock

http://www.yperano.com/content/vinnie-v ... heck-video

States the second album was not as popular as the debut
http://www.musicmight.com/artist/united ... t+invasion

http://blog.schoolofrock.com/blog/?Tag= ... n&BBPage=4

KissMyAss · Post by **KissMyAss** » Tue Dec 11, 2012 1:59 pm

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Brainsaw · Post by **Brainsaw** » Tue Dec 11, 2012 2:20 pm

KissMyAss wrote:
Brainsaw wrote:
KissMyAss wrote:The Vinnie Vincent Invasion debut album did well. The second Vinnie Vincent Invasion album didn't do as well as expected.
Based upon what? Where's your facts to back up that false claim?

Don't post Wikipedia b.s. Actual facts.
First of all, you used Wikipedia as a citation yourself.
Second, closed mindedly perceiving others arguments as false and yours as true is bias of your own opinion.
Finally, I have other articles.

Interview with Bobby Rock speculating on whether a second video to the debut album would push it over god (500,000 copies is gold). No Substitute is on the debut album, and not ASG

KF: There was reportedly a video for "No Substitute" in the works. Do you think a second video would have ultimately helped push sales of the album past gold?

BR: Yes, I personally do. It was a real disappointment when Chrysalis decided to pack it in after we did the Iron Maiden tour and start working on a new record. However, I didn't see what the label saw. Maybe they were already way in the red on this thing, or were experiencing a lot of resistance at radio and MTV, and who knows what else. But theoretically, yes, it seemed premature to pull the plug.
4

I used Wikepedia to give you wasn't it...when you were clueless about the RIAA rule?

I also complained when people use it (like on Vinnie etc) and it doesn't even have a citation.

And no, I'm not perceiving anything based on my opinion in regards to this. One is based on facts. The othes are not based on anything.

I agree with Bobby ....they did pull the plug too soon on Invasion. It could have gone Gold. What's that prove? You proved nothing. No Substitute was released as a single. There was no accompanying video.

I already covered this before. They should have put out BOTS. Vinnie already sings most of it. Just take out what Robert sings and re-record with Mark or don't show anyone singing during Roberts part. That would have been the easiest solution. But they didn't do it.

Nor did they just have Mark cut vocals and release Mark's version of No Substitute as the video.

Neither one would have been difficult.

shramiac · Post by **shramiac** » Tue Dec 11, 2012 2:29 pm

Brainsaw wrote: I have a bunch of tapes from Cherokee Studios etc...

Far out man!!!!

Can I be your best friend???? Ole pal, ole buddy!!!!

Brainsaw · Post by **Brainsaw** » Tue Dec 11, 2012 2:33 pm

shramiac wrote:
Brainsaw wrote: I have a bunch of tapes from Cherokee Studios etc...

Far out man!!!!

Can I be your best friend???? Ole pal, ole buddy!!!!

If you were Erin Grey in your prime you could =).

But seriously.... most of that stuff probably got out already via one of Marks friends or someone else.

shramiac · Post by **shramiac** » Tue Dec 11, 2012 2:36 pm

Brainsaw wrote: They should have put out BOTS. Vinnie already sings most of it.

Don't think anyone disagrees with you there Bsaw!

Just take out what Robert sings and re-record with Mark or don't show anyone singing during Roberts part. That would have been the easiest solution. But they didn't do it.
Neither one would have been difficult.

I'm probably wrong but wasn't there some legal snaffoo regarding wiping Robert's vocals?

Brainsaw · Post by **Brainsaw** » Tue Dec 11, 2012 2:41 pm

shramiac wrote:
Brainsaw wrote: They should have put out BOTS. Vinnie already sings most of it.

Don't think anyone disagrees with you there Bsaw!

Just take out what Robert sings and re-record with Mark or don't show anyone singing during Roberts part. That would have been the easiest solution. But they didn't do it.
Neither one would have been difficult.

I'm probably wrong but wasn't there some legal snaffoo regarding wiping Robert's vocals?

The lawsuit problem was Mark lip-synching to Roberts vocals. Now they could have "paid" to get a release on that as well.

But putting out a "radio version" or alternate version with Mark would have been fine. Or just remixing BOTS and removing Roberts vocal tracks and recording Mark doing them.

With the tours they had and the right material out there--- Invasion really could have been a home run. After the lawsuit and everything Chrysalis just pretty much folded up on that album. Shame.

reneroxx · Post by **reneroxx** » Wed Dec 12, 2012 4:54 pm

I love modern day cowboy.And yes both albums were loved so much by Kerrang.In a fact they liked Vinnie.
The sense of this? I think is only cool

doublev2 · Post by **doublev2** » Wed Dec 12, 2012 7:08 pm

Agreed .. should have been a home run.
You always blame everyone except vv.. do you think vv made mistakes too?

Also please answer 2 questions i ask and you avoid.

doublev2 · Post by **doublev2** » Wed Dec 12, 2012 7:13 pm

Ibam not asking for mistakes in who vv hired I am talking mistakes with how he acted and handled himself.. brainsaw do you think it was everyones fault and not vv?
Also answer questions please

Brainsaw · Post by **Brainsaw** » Wed Dec 12, 2012 7:31 pm

reneroxx wrote:I love modern day cowboy.And yes both albums were loved so much by Kerrang.In a fact they liked Vinnie.
The sense of this? I think is only cool

They loved Vinnie. Dante had some great write ups on them.

doublev2 · Post by **doublev2** » Wed Dec 12, 2012 7:50 pm

You shouldnt have brought dante up. I speak to him and you may not like what he will say

Brainsaw · Post by **Brainsaw** » Thu Dec 20, 2012 12:12 pm

KMA Where was the article with Bobby that mentioned 400,000 in sales for the debut??

erg2 · Post by **erg2** » Thu Dec 20, 2012 2:07 pm

Brainsaw wrote:KMA Where was the article with Bobby that mentioned 400,000 in sales for the debut??

Why don't you just do your specialty, Ass Pimple? Do a web search, copy & paste it and then declare it fact?

KissMyAss · Post by **KissMyAss** » Thu Dec 20, 2012 4:21 pm

Brainsaw wrote:KMA Where was the article with Bobby that mentioned 400,000 in sales for the debut??

Are you talking to me? Why? You hate my guts.

KissMyAss · Post by **KissMyAss** » Thu Dec 20, 2012 4:24 pm

reneroxx wrote:I love modern day cowboy.And yes both albums were loved so much by Kerrang.In a fact they liked Vinnie.
The sense of this? I think is only cool

Hi girl

Tesla and Vinnie Vincent rocked.

erg2 · Post by **erg2** » Thu Dec 20, 2012 4:30 pm

KissMyAss wrote:
reneroxx wrote:I love modern day cowboy.And yes both albums were loved so much by Kerrang.In a fact they liked Vinnie.
The sense of this? I think is only cool
Hi girl

Tesla and Vinnie Vincent rocked.

Tesla was a monster!

Post by **Genebaby** » Fri Dec 21, 2012 9:33 am

erg2 wrote:
KissMyAss wrote:
reneroxx wrote:I love modern day cowboy.And yes both albums were loved so much by Kerrang.In a fact they liked Vinnie.
The sense of this? I think is only cool
Hi girl

Tesla and Vinnie Vincent rocked.
Tesla was a monster!

So glad I saw them in 2007, they finally toured here. One of my all time faves, but I don't hang out on the message board much.

KissMyAss · Post by **KissMyAss** » Fri Dec 21, 2012 7:40 pm

erg2 wrote:
Brainsaw wrote:KMA Where was the article with Bobby that mentioned 400,000 in sales for the debut??
Why don't you just do your specialty, Ass Pimple? Do a web search, copy & paste it and then declare it fact?

will explain this to someone who doesn't ride the short bus. As you know the song "No Substitute" is on the debut album. The Wikipedia is correct on the 400,000 units sold figure on the first album. Notice the KISS FAQ interviewer asks Bobby Rock if a video for "No Substitute" would push the album over gold (500,000 units), and Bobby answers "yes".
When presented with this interview, Brainsaw thought Chrysalis pulled the plug on the group, not the video, but Bobby clearly talks about working on a new record. ASG was the last record the band recorded before breaking up.
Also notice, Bobby Rock says the same thing Dino told Brainsaw. The Vinnie Vincent Invasion did not get alot of airplay on Mtv and the radio.

KF: There was reportedly a video for "No Substitute" in the works. Do you think a second video would have ultimately helped push sales of the album past gold?

BR: Yes, I personally do. It was a real disappointment when Chrysalis decided to pack it in after we did the Iron Maiden tour and start working on a new record. However, I didn't see what the label saw. Maybe they were already way in the red on this thing, or were experiencing a lot of resistance at radio and MTV, and who knows what else. But theoretically, yes, it seemed premature to pull the plug.

http://www.kissfaq.com/KissFAQ-wiki/ind ... Bobby_Rock

Brainsaw · Post by **Brainsaw** » Fri Dec 21, 2012 7:50 pm

KissMyAss wrote:
erg2 wrote:
Brainsaw wrote:KMA Where was the article with Bobby that mentioned 400,000 in sales for the debut??
Why don't you just do your specialty, Ass Pimple? Do a web search, copy & paste it and then declare it fact?
will explain this to someone who doesn't ride the short bus. As you know the song "No Substitute" is on the debut album. The Wikipedia is correct on the 400,000 units sold figure on the first album. Notice the KISS FAQ interviewer asks Bobby Rock if a video for "No Substitute" would push the album over gold (500,000 units), and Bobby answers "yes".
When presented with this interview, Brainsaw thought Chrysalis pulled the plug on the group, not the video, but Bobby clearly talks about working on a new record. ASG was the last record the band recorded before breaking up.
Also notice, Bobby Rock says the same thing Dino told Brainsaw. The Vinnie Vincent Invasion did not get alot of airplay on Mtv and the radio.

KF: There was reportedly a video for "No Substitute" in the works. Do you think a second video would have ultimately helped push sales of the album past gold?

BR: Yes, I personally do. It was a real disappointment when Chrysalis decided to pack it in after we did the Iron Maiden tour and start working on a new record. However, I didn't see what the label saw. Maybe they were already way in the red on this thing, or were experiencing a lot of resistance at radio and MTV, and who knows what else. But theoretically, yes, it seemed premature to pull the plug.

http://www.kissfaq.com/KissFAQ-wiki/ind ... Bobby_Rock

Wikipedia doesn't cite anything to back up the 400,000 claim. Nor do they for the 150,000 big time false claim.

I agreed with Bobby's statement when you posted this nonsense before and you just ignored that ...like you ignore all reality. Go back and read what I wrote then.

In fact, don't! Don't reply to me ever again. Don't mention my name. You said that to Poser. Well, I'm telling that to you. Even when you're questions are answered you don't pay attention. You could care less. No sales figure was mentioned in the interview with Bobby.

Bobby doesn't mention lack of airplay or MTV play. Hell, Boyz got alot of airplay. It was in rotation on MTV.

But once again, its funny to see people who will accept WIKIPEDIA's claims with no documentation or anything to back up that claim....yet the offical numbers from the record lable. NO, we don't care about those. We believe "phantom" claims.

So again, dont reply to me anymore. Don't mention me name. Just go away! Just like you told Poser, I'm telling you!

PinkWiz · Post by **PinkWiz** » Fri Dec 21, 2012 8:10 pm

Brainsaw is one of the other members jerking our chain... I'm convinced. Vinnie can't be this desperate to argue with his only remaining fans... can he????

I'm convinced that Cusano is tucked away fast asleep with no clue of Brainsaw.... yes, that's it. Sorry Cusano to drag you into this...

doublev2 · Post by **doublev2** » Fri Dec 21, 2012 10:14 pm

Sorry boyz got some mtv play but not in rotation. Give me a break. It was still only very occasionally played on mtv.

erg2 · Post by **erg2** » Sat Dec 22, 2012 1:58 am

I was a regular viewer of MTV, especially the BALL and such. During my youth I never ONCE saw the VVI Boys Are Gonna Rock video. I never actually got to see the damn thing until someone finally posted a crappy, lo-res version on YouTube. A friend of mine saw it ONCE and described it to me...I was flipping jealous as hell.

Post by **Genebaby** » Sat Dec 22, 2012 9:57 am

I got to see all the VVI videos because I was heavily into the KISS bootleg trading scene and thanks to guys like Gerhard I had access to stuff from all over the world. My copy of That Time Of Year was from a European satellite station.

Aus MTV actually played Love Kills, thanks to the Freddy movie, which was cool.

Brainsaw · Post by **Brainsaw** » Sat Dec 22, 2012 11:05 am

Genebaby wrote:Aus MTV actually played Love Kills, thanks to the Freddy movie, which was cool.

I remember seeing "Love Kills" on MTV alot. "That Time Of Year" some...but I think "Love Kills" much more.

I wish it had been on the DVD of Nightmare IV as an extra. Knowing Vinnie, he most likely wanted too much money for them to include the song. The song in the music-was already set. but adding the other.

Much like WKRP and all the omissions of great songs from Ted Nugent, Pink Floyd... you name it. What's even worse--most of the time those were only 10-15 seconds. Some of those guys were wanting $25,000 for them to use it now. Alot of them were wanting $5-$10K. I think its stupid. You'd think they would want those songs out there so kids might buy them but....

Speaking of Australia--one of their problems back during Vinnie's time there....they kept wasting alot of money in the US trying to break Aussie acts like Johnny Diesel & the Injectors and some others...

doublev2 · Post by **doublev2** » Sun Dec 23, 2012 1:25 am

ok. firstly no love kills and that time of year were not on mtv bar one or two screenings on mtv WHILE VVI were together. They did get a little more plays just as Slaughter took off in EARLY 1990. but no sorry you are wrong about the mtv in 1988. I will say I can not remember if the few plays in 1988 said (featuring Mark Slaughter) or if that was added in 1990 after Slaughter became big.. that fact I will admit I can not remember.
Vinnie will have had no say if the song was featured on the nightmare soundtrack or not if it was played in the film.. that would have been agreed when the song was licensed for the film in the first place. It is possible that VV asked too much for the song to be used in its entirety in the film which could be why it wasnt used as the theme tune. Very weird they made a video with freddy when the song was only a background tune. In fact in most films that would not have been enough to put it on the soundtrack in the first place.
As for not included on the nightmare boxset.. its because most likley the nightmare execs had no idea it existed because it was never player on mtv in 88 outside of the freddy half hour and maybe 1 play on the headbangers ball but even that i am not sure. That time of year I believe only played once or twice on the ball while VVI were around.

doublev2 · Post by **doublev2** » Sun Dec 23, 2012 1:27 am

and remember the ball was screened between 11pm ans 2am on Saturday nights (some time zones midnight to 3am) so it wasn't a massive show. You either taped it or tried to stay up but not too easy for high school kids. Usually the first hour was the highest figures and I don't believe any VVI video was played in the first hour.

1031 · Post by **1031** » Sun Dec 23, 2012 3:16 am

Brainsaw wrote:I agree with Bobby ....they did pull the plug too soon on Invasion. It could have gone Gold.

I am glad you have come to terms that sales never reached gold. I also would like to remind you that there is no easy go parking in the halls, Tuesday is Matlock marathon day, complementary depends can be picked up at the door.

Slayer · Post by **Slayer** » Sun Dec 23, 2012 3:45 am

"Tuesday is Matlock marathon day, complementary depends can be picked up at the door".

Ok, I'm picking myself up off the floor!

Where have you been hiding this side of yourself brother?

"Dat be sum funnayyy shit"!

You iz one funny mudda fuggah!

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Brainsaw · Post by **Brainsaw** » Sun Dec 23, 2012 12:46 pm

1031 wrote:
Brainsaw wrote:I agree with Bobby ....they did pull the plug too soon on Invasion. It could have gone Gold.
I am glad you have come to terms that sales never reached gold.

When did I ever say it did? Other than going GOLD in Iceland.

You keep confusing shipping enough to be at a level.

In your mind, once an album reaches a sales level--certification is automatic. It isn't.

Has ASG shipped enough to be certified GOLD - certainly.

Has Invasion --possibly if the figures Vinnie used in 1988 were correct.

But take Bobby's statement. Invasion was said to be at 250,000 units already in Nov 1986. Had there been a push of another single/video at that time and possibly another--would Invasion have gone gold in 1987. Probably. It was on the Billboard charts for 29 weeks. Two high profile tours.