love kills

doublev2 · Post by **doublev2** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 8:25 am

I know Vinnie doesnt like Mark's voice but I think this is one of the best recorded rock vocals of the 80s. The vocals add to the song for sure

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doublev2 · Post by **doublev2** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 8:28 am

brilliant production and engineering. the vocal sound is brilliant

Post by **Genebaby** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 8:32 am

Somehow Mark's voice was perfect for the songs and sound of ASG. It's hard to imagine anyone doing a better job.

Plus he looked great in the videos. Better than the Boyz look he had.

doublev2 · Post by **doublev2** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 8:37 am

i know mark wasn't as technical as Robert but that voice is pure magic on the record especially the ballads and Ashes.
Its so hard to imagine why love kills wasn't huge. Such great song writing and emotion from vinnie. The mix is perfect. I wish Vinnie was what he appears to be when you see that video. I perfect idol for a teenager in the 80s. The only thing i would have done is said fuck off to nightmare on elm street being in that video which is way bellow the great song. I couldnt see mtv playing freddy for the little kids and the song is way above a 'b' movie.
I still am frustrated for the band and I think VV should have been much cooler to Mark for that amazing performance even if VV drove him to hell and back to get to it.. he could have been stuck with Graeme Bonnet or Peter Marino and then he would have had some problems.

doublev2 · Post by **doublev2** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 8:41 am

i still say love kills is the best vocal recording of the 80s after watching it again. pure brilliance from the whole recording team and mark. The sound of Vinnie's acoustic guitar is amazing.

doublev2 · Post by **doublev2** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 8:42 am

you can sometime understand why vinnie quit when you hear a song like that. no need to prove yourself anymore.

doublev2 · Post by **doublev2** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 9:16 am

this one is great too. http://www.nrk.no/nett-tv/klipp/441527/ I can not believe he didn't have 3 hits from ASG. Sucks. But I suppose its the way it is .

Post by **Genebaby** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 9:29 am

doublev2 wrote:this one is great too. http://www.nrk.no/nett-tv/klipp/441527/

What the hell is that Dino?

doublev2 · Post by **doublev2** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 9:33 am

ashes to ashes extended solo

Post by **Genebaby** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 9:35 am

I am at work and wasn't listening to the sound but it looks like some old European film?

doublev2 · Post by **doublev2** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 9:49 am

OHH. woops. Wrong link. Thats a Romanian film my kids like. haha.

Brooklyn_Born · Post by **Brooklyn_Born** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 10:33 am

Haha cool I'm part Romanian

shramiac · Post by **shramiac** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 11:31 am

I vant to suck your blood!!! Bleah!

1031 · Post by **1031** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 11:38 am

A great song great look great vocal the band was on a roll...

metatron · Post by **metatron** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 12:21 pm

shramiac wrote:I vant to suck your blood!!! Bleah!

Suck on this instead Sharm

gonnarock · Post by **gonnarock** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 12:35 pm

The lyrics are pretty awesome too.

metatron · Post by **metatron** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 1:17 pm

Love it...One of the best songs ever recorded & Mark rules in it. VV is a 'after the facts kinda guy'. He don't like this & he don't like that. Instead he should embrace the awesomeness of what he had done, but instead he wants to tear down his own house of cards. Great song writer, brilliant musician, but one huge fuck up as a member of the human race. I don't like to agree with too many thing Gene say, but it's true, VV is self destructive. What a waste.

PinkWiz · Post by **PinkWiz** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 2:26 pm

doublev2 wrote:you can sometime understand why vinnie quit when you hear a song like that. no need to prove yourself anymore.

I've often thought the same thing when I hear this tune, That Time of Year, Ecstasy, the whole first album, LIU, etc., etc...

metatron · Post by **metatron** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 3:15 pm

PinkWiz is that the COTN Santa?

PinkWiz · Post by **PinkWiz** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 4:09 pm

metatron wrote:PinkWiz is that the COTN Santa?

Yes that would be him! Here's the actual album cover... my expertise in Paint will turn into a lucrative career one day...

metatron · Post by **metatron** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 4:21 pm

That cool man...Love the cotSn cover. Very clever.

PinkWiz · Post by **PinkWiz** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 4:26 pm

thanx! my sleepin' pill hasn't kicked in yet... sooooo, back to Paint...

Post by **Genebaby** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 4:57 pm

Classic, great work!!!

shramiac · Post by **shramiac** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 5:12 pm

Funny stuff!

Brooklyn_Born · Post by **Brooklyn_Born** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 6:32 pm

That's awesome PW! Love it!

doublev2 · Post by **doublev2** » Wed Dec 14, 2011 8:52 am

not long before VV said bad things publicly about Mark this year, Mark was keen to look at a VVI reunion. I know his voice seems to be finished but it would have been one way to get a small tour going . I even heard that Mark wanted to smooth out differences. Any way thats over now.

birnie · Post by **birnie** » Wed Dec 14, 2011 9:03 am

Mark was keen at a VVI reunion? really?

doublev2 · Post by **doublev2** » Wed Dec 14, 2011 9:07 am

yes, one member here was in contact with him. he was into speaking with vinnie. Also another member years ago met Slaughter with Bobby Rock and they were all real happy to speak about Vinnie.

poserboy71 · Post by **poserboy71** » Wed Dec 14, 2011 9:29 am

COTSN. Pure Butt-Fucking AWESOMENESS !!!

doublev2 · Post by **doublev2** » Wed Dec 14, 2011 10:03 am

err what?

shramiac · Post by **shramiac** » Wed Dec 14, 2011 10:31 am

doublev2 wrote:err what?

PW's Creatures of the Santa Night picture!

doublev2 · Post by **doublev2** » Wed Dec 14, 2011 10:41 am

o.k.r.s.t.

ok Rick S, thanks.

poserboy71 · Post by **poserboy71** » Thu Dec 15, 2011 10:05 am

shramiac wrote:
doublev2 wrote:err what?
PW's Creatures of the Santa Night picture!

Creatures Of The SILENT Night

shramiac · Post by **shramiac** » Thu Dec 15, 2011 10:13 am

Yeah! That's what I said!!! Are you blind!!!!

poserboy71 · Post by **poserboy71** » Thu Dec 15, 2011 12:37 pm

shramiac · Post by **shramiac** » Thu Dec 15, 2011 12:53 pm

I said blind not stoned!!!!!

Damn guy could sing his ass off though!!!

poserboy71 · Post by **poserboy71** » Thu Dec 15, 2011 12:58 pm

Blind, stoned, and STD's to boot !!!! That motherfucker was the epitome of Rock and Roll .

reneroxx · Post by **reneroxx** » Thu Dec 22, 2011 3:19 am

oh man mark slaughter i can talk about him he is my favorite singer from the album of vinnie,and is just a big good dam voice there in the asg i love it love kills i finish dead what a power of that song

doublev2 · Post by **doublev2** » Thu Dec 22, 2011 5:20 am

I have to agree . The best singer for that song. He was young and didn't always sound great live but maybe also he couldn't always hear himself live .
The recording was so dynamic . Power, character and haunting . Great job recording. I would say it was not only marks work to get such a great vocal.
If vv and Roberts voices are amazing but they lack that robert plant character that was so great on asg. I like Rf the best but very different .

erg2 · Post by **erg2** » Thu Dec 22, 2011 5:37 am

ASG was one of my favorite albums for a long time after it first came out and even a few years after. I still like the album and think the producer/Vinnie did an unbelievable job getting the absolute best out of Mark Slaughter's voice and singing style.
Having said that, VVI is still one of my top all-time albums. I think the songs are better lyrically, the production sound of the guitars is a lot more aggressive without losing the melodic quality, the solos are like nothing I've heard before or since and Fleischman just nails the vocals.
I know it will never, ever happen...but I would absolutely LOVE to hear ASG done in the "style" of VVI with Fleischman on vocals. Like I said above, they did a good job getting the best out of Mark, but I think it would've been out of this universe with Fleischman.

doublev2 · Post by **doublev2** » Thu Dec 22, 2011 7:58 am

Agreed. I think Dana and vv were producers and the engineer obviously takes credit too for the vocals.

doublev2 · Post by **doublev2** » Thu Dec 22, 2011 8:00 am

Rf all the way but the haunting dynamic performance on love kills for me is best of any rock singer of the 80s.

erg2 · Post by **erg2** » Thu Dec 22, 2011 9:22 am

Just reviewing the songs lyrically, I think Vinnie was getting a little...pretentious...on ASG and GFH. There are still killer songs on both, but he was clearly getting blinded of own literary genius by the time ASG was recorded.

doublev2 · Post by **doublev2** » Thu Dec 22, 2011 8:02 pm

yes. agreed.

PinkWiz · Post by **PinkWiz** » Thu Dec 22, 2011 8:55 pm

Damn it I hate that fukn shortened solo in Love Kills! Also I could never figure out why they chopped this tune up so bad on the ASG remaster and completely removed the little bridge part after the solo... and it's not even a good editing job (sounds like the CD skippin... but it's not!) Stupid move by Dana...

doublev2 · Post by **doublev2** » Thu Dec 22, 2011 9:03 pm

the edit was for the radio 7" version but no idea why it had to be shorter and feature on the new version of the record.

Post by **Genebaby** » Thu Dec 22, 2011 10:36 pm

Yes, that ruined the remaster of ASG. I haven't actually played either of my remasters yet. I should rip them into iTunes one day.

erg2 · Post by **erg2** » Sat Dec 24, 2011 4:56 pm

I can't find it, but I remember a very pithy statement made by (I think) Bob Kulick where says Vinnie Cusano was a great songwriter, but Vinnie VINCENT was not. I'm paraphrasing there, but I think it's a nice way to suucinctly say that Vinnie was an amazing talent that was forever tainted by the trappings of success in the music industry.

doublev2 · Post by **doublev2** » Sat Dec 24, 2011 10:18 pm

most people say he was a great songwriter.
What annoys me is the stupidity that vinnie could write but Paul and Gene couldn't. If you look what kiss wrote before vv joined compared with what vv wrote in the same period its a joke. Also Kiss were churning out two albums a year. Most of the early stuff was kiss alone and to be honest they could not have had a lot of time to write new tunes in the 75 to 1981 period but they did and did some brilliant ones.
Vinnie 'was' as great songwriter, but what did he do with it? Nothing other than 3 great albums plus the 3 tunes on Creatures and Revenge.
To say Vinnie is a more talented writer than Kiss is really a joke and how many tunes has he written since 1989/1990 as far as I can see ... none.

erg2 · Post by **erg2** » Sat Dec 24, 2011 11:38 pm

I think Gene & Paul are great rock lyricists, but they need a musician to take it to the next level.
In the beginning that was Ace. The sloppiest, laziest musician with little range. BUT compare the WICKED LESTER version of songs and G&P demos to what happened to those songs once Ace was added to the mix.

Then after Ace left, Vinnie filled that same roll. I think it's evident that such a musical influence was missing on Animalize & Asylum. KISS was trying to do another LIU...and there are some good and great songs...but overall those albums don't come together.