Gimmie More Spain 1983 - anyone have this full show?

strangeways · Post by **strangeways** » Sat Aug 13, 2011 7:45 am

I might be late to the party but I haven't seen this before.

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jesternjeff · Post by **jesternjeff** » Sat Aug 13, 2011 8:36 am

I mean really, this stuff does exist and all KISS want to do is hide from it ! There new box set ( the 4th one ) coming out has 1 concert from the lick it up but, that's it ! No Creatures stuff ,,, it's like they just don't want us to see that era .... why ? Old shows everybody has seen already that KISS themselves cut, they may as well be CNN and only show us what they want us to see ! If Gene where only right in saying the fans are the boss's then I think fans would want to see the hard to find stuff like the V.V. era !!! Instead of bitching about Vinnie today I am bitching about KISS. Come on Gene & Paul wake the f**k up and give the fans what they really want to see. Maybe 20 years from now I will want to see Tommy but, not right now !!!!!

shramiac · Post by **shramiac** » Sat Aug 13, 2011 8:52 am

Looks like it was only 1 camera! Looked good though!

727 · Post by **727** » Sat Aug 13, 2011 9:55 am

that was made for this tv

strangeways · Post by **strangeways** » Sat Aug 13, 2011 10:01 am

So I'm correct in thinking that not many have this, eh?

Gene and Paul need to get a move on and get some of this stuff out there.

I looks like some of the best Lick It Up live video footage yet (even if it is just one camera at least it's pretty much straight on).

Brooklyn_Born · Post by **Brooklyn_Born** » Sat Aug 13, 2011 12:47 pm

It is great footage indeed!

eddiepagechicago · Post by **eddiepagechicago** » Sat Aug 13, 2011 2:37 pm

It's par for the course with genie and paulie...
They want to try and erase the Vinnie era because of their guilty conscience...

And they want to punish the fans that love the Vinnie era...no other reason.

Gene made it mandatory that every show be recorded...look at how he has
one of every kiss item made in his office and his storage warehouse of shit.

So, this goes directly against his previous actions...he puts out any piece of shit
item up for sale...but no real Vinnie era of substance...just bits 'n pieces...

Kiss are a bunch of strokes...

I'M GONNA KEEP ON SAYING IT...WITHOUT VINNIE, KISS WOULD HAVE STILL
BEEN WRITING CRAP LIKE 'SHANDI'.

Post by **Genebaby** » Sat Aug 13, 2011 3:44 pm

Remember, some people, like me, LOVE, Shandi....lol.....

We need more footage with Vinnie though, that line-up kicked ass!!

727 · Post by **727** » Sat Aug 13, 2011 5:42 pm

A lot of its down to the little old fact fact that vinnie takes kiss to court everytime vinnie shows up in classic footage. Vinnie looses but I would say Eddie its most likely that reason they don't show the fans that footage.

727 · Post by **727** » Sat Aug 13, 2011 5:47 pm

Eddie. I am going to keep saying it kiss made 7 of the creatures tunes without vv writing and all didn't play guitar on Pauls songs including the tunes creatures of the night . Vinnie did some wonderful things with kiss but you can not say without vv kiss would being still playing shandi. That's plain stupid.

shramiac · Post by **shramiac** » Sat Aug 13, 2011 6:23 pm

727 wrote:A lot of its down to the little old fact fact that vinnie takes kiss to court everytime vinnie shows up in classic footage. Vinnie looses but I would say Eddie its most likely that reason they don't show the fans that footage.

To quote Metallica.

Sad but True!!!!

erg2 · Post by **erg2** » Sat Aug 13, 2011 11:11 pm

I would love full shows from tours supporting:
Creatures
Lick It Up
Animalize (with MSJ...I already have the live DVD with Bruce)
Asylum

I wish they would remaster the Animalize video and release it on DVD. I have one of the European DVDs but the sound quality is not even as good as my original VHS and it has sub-titles that won't shut off.

strangeways · Post by **strangeways** » Sun Aug 14, 2011 2:58 am

erg2 wrote: I wish they would remaster the Animalize video and release it on DVD. I have one of the European DVDs but the sound quality is not even as good as my original VHS and it has sub-titles that won't shut off.

A DVD would be good.

I still have my laser disc of Animalize but to have it on dvd would be good also.

poserboy71 · Post by **poserboy71** » Sun Aug 14, 2011 3:23 am

eddiepagechicago wrote: ...They want to try and erase the Vinnie era because of their guilty conscience...

And they want to punish the fans that love the Vinnie era...no other reason.
Kiss are a bunch of strokes...

...I'M GONNA KEEP ON SAYING IT...WITHOUT VINNIE, KISS WOULD HAVE STILL
BEEN WRITING CRAP LIKE 'SHANDI'.

For the most part, I agree with Eddie even though I do like 'Shandi'.

Vinnie's contributions empowered Kiss and taught them how to play music with their dick again.

Good post Eddie !!!

727, Please don't call anyone's post stupid. Thanks !!!

metatron · Post by **metatron** » Sun Aug 14, 2011 3:39 am

That's cool strangeways...Sorry, I don't have. To be honest, it's the first time I've seen it.
Maybe message the person on Youtube who put it up.

727 · Post by **727** » Sun Aug 14, 2011 4:44 am

eddie apologies for calling you stupid, wasn't nice of me.

poserboy71 · Post by **poserboy71** » Sun Aug 14, 2011 5:18 am

727 wrote:eddie apologies for calling you stupid, wasn't nice of me.

This is a big reason for your SEXINESS !!!
Can I fly your friendly skies ???

strangeways · Post by **strangeways** » Sun Aug 14, 2011 7:14 am

metatron wrote: That's cool strangeways...Sorry, I don't have. To be honest, it's the first time I've seen it.

It would seem it is the first for many, including myself, on seeing this material.

It certainly lends credence to the many theories out there that there's a great deal more of Kiss vid then Paul and Gene are letting on about.

marcorocknrollz80s · Post by **marcorocknrollz80s** » Sun Aug 14, 2011 7:34 am

gene suck

poserboy71 · Post by **poserboy71** » Sun Aug 14, 2011 7:35 am

Exactly, The first time I saw this was a month or two ago.

eddiepagechicago · Post by **eddiepagechicago** » Mon Aug 15, 2011 5:17 am

Never any hard feelings guys...
I just like bustin' chops, especially for people that follow blindly what
gene and paul say or do...

727...you didn't call me stupid, you referred to my comments as stupid...no worries. Even if you did call me stupid, you are entitled to your opinion.

All of you are cool...I'm more than likely gonna disagree with you when it comes to Vinnie, though.

For the other COTN songs...the boyz needed Adam Mitchell, Mikel Japp, Bryan Adams & Jim Vallance.
Everyone knows who Bryan Adams is right? Great canadian singer songwriter frontman of his own band.
And Vallance did a ton of work for people over the years.

I wonder if these writers too have been stiffed by the gene an paul organization??? hmmm

gene and paul are very weak, weak songwriters.

TRUST ME...THE FOOTAGE IS OUT THERE...IT WAS A THE BEGINNING OF A NEW ERA WITHOUT
MAKE-UP AND GENE WOULD NEVER PASS UP AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE MONEY OFF OF
SELLING IT. (well, until he had to duke it out with Vinnie).

peace...

poserboy71 · Post by **poserboy71** » Mon Aug 15, 2011 5:38 am

eddiepagechicago wrote:
...I'm more than likely gonna disagree with you when it comes to Vinnie, though.

Eddie,I'm not sure I understand what you're saying here. Could you give some examples please . Thanks.

727 · Post by **727** » Mon Aug 15, 2011 7:26 am

thanks Eddie for being cool.

eddiepagechicago · Post by **eddiepagechicago** » Mon Aug 15, 2011 3:54 pm

I WISH I HAD THE FULL INTERVIEW AND SHOW FROM SPAIN 1983...
WOULD BE AMAZING...
LAY OFF THE EGO GENE AND GIVE US THE GOODS.

ankh · Post by **ankh** » Mon Aug 15, 2011 4:19 pm

Adams and vallance were stiffed by Gene,but it was the normal procedure in the business-still is.

doublev2 · Post by **doublev2** » Mon Aug 15, 2011 8:52 pm

Adams and Vallance agreed to give the song to Gene under his conditions. He also did re-write the song a little but they understood he would get credit for not doing anything , take it or leave it. I am sure they did that to Vinnie too. On Gene's side he would say a little of something (that he paved the way for) is better than a lot of nothing (or a lot of something much smaller than kiss). On Vinnie's side you can see that if he wrote the majority or all of I love it loud and Lick it up and he is getting a tiny return compared to Paul and Gene (if that is true), then you could well see VV getting pissed especially as he has had no hit tunes since.
Its not cut a dry, but you have to say if you join kiss surely you know that you are not going to be equal. Its a Paul and Gene solo act, just as much as if you join Vinnie Vincent band and co write all the tunes you still are not going to be equal in VV's band because VV is taking all the risk of having his own band, keeping reputation etc, but that said I still see Vinnie's side and it just seems an impossible thing to work out without knowing exactly what Kiss make from VV's song writing and what Vinnie makes. I would think that 3rd parties are involved in paying royalties.

Cernex · Post by **Cernex** » Tue Aug 16, 2011 11:22 am

erg2 wrote: Animalize (with MSJ...I already have the live DVD with Bruce)

To my knowledge, Mark Norton did not play on any KISS show, at least not completely. There's ONE live song on youtube (audio only), but that's it.

The exact point were he got sick is still a bit debated, but most agree it was either in the last days of the Animalize sessions, or just before the tour began. In any case, both scenarios have the same results: he wasn't able to play on any live show.

strangeways · Post by **strangeways** » Tue Aug 16, 2011 1:49 pm

http://www.kissforum.de/phpbb3/viewtopi ... 14#p347314

AMERICAN FORCES NETWORK
MADRID, SPAIN 11/27/1983
Detroit Rock City
Firehouse
I Love It Loud
Lick It Up

THE SUMMIT
HOUSTON, TX 12/7/1985
Asylum Tour Documentary

ankh · Post by **ankh** » Tue Aug 16, 2011 4:25 pm

Mark played three shows, one from the second half onwards( he,the band and Bruce bowed together at the end) and two complete ones.Still they got a problem because Mark and the band had a different idea about playng around the beat( Mark played on the top of the beat, Kiss are used to play behind the beat).

Cernex · Post by **Cernex** » Tue Aug 16, 2011 4:31 pm

ankh wrote:Mark played three shows, one from the second half onwards( he,the band and Bruce bowed together at the end) and two complete ones.Still they got a problem because Mark and the band had a different idea about playng around the beat( Mark played on the top of the beat, Kiss are used to play behind the beat).

Well, I stand corrected then.

ankh · Post by **ankh** » Tue Aug 16, 2011 6:33 pm

sorry, i didn't want to sound pedantic.

A video of one of those gigs is one of the most sought after kiss rarities.No one-except the band-knows if those gigs were filmed.Audio bootlegs are circulating in fan circles.........

strangeways · Post by **strangeways** » Tue Sep 18, 2012 1:21 pm

Sorry if posted already but this is the first I've seen of this footage.
Get's much clearer after the first song.

[youtube][/youtube]

Post by **Genebaby** » Tue Sep 18, 2012 1:34 pm

The Spanish Kiss Army has been holding out on us!!!!!!!!!!!!!

poserboy71 · Post by **poserboy71** » Tue Sep 18, 2012 1:37 pm

strangeways, VERY COOL !!!! I have never seen that .

strangeways · Post by **strangeways** » Tue Sep 18, 2012 1:38 pm

http://www.kissfaq.com/forum11/viewtopi ... =9&t=73500

Name: KISS/1983-10-14/Madrid, Spain/PRO/PAL
Description:
Lick It Up Tour 83-84

Recorded Live at: Pabellon Del Real Madrid (Second Night)

PAL, Colour.

DVD was part of the Kiss Army Spain membership package 2012. Acquired 12 June 2012.

Quality: Appears to be of 2 sources/quality (1,G) and (2,VG) and songs are cut together in places (ie not full gig)

Set List:

Detriot Rock City (1)
Cold Gin (2)
Firehouse (2)
War Machine (2)
Gimme More (2)
Vinnie Vincent Guitar Solo (partial)(2)
I Love It Loud (partial) (1)/(2) mixture
I Still Love You (partial) (2)
Eric Carr Drum Solo (partial - beginning is cut) (2)
Young And Wasted (2)
Love Gun (2)
Black Diamond (partial) (2)

Lick It Up is missing - it features on the cover, but not on disc

Extras (select the text above the KISS logo):

Interview 1 (VG)
Interview 2 (G)
I Love It Loud (I)
I Love It Loud (II)
Popular 1 (magazine)

(I Love It Loud footage are also in the main feture)

Menued, with audio

DVD Attributes:

Aspect - 4:3
System - PAL
Video - MPEG 2, 9Mbps (avg)
Audio - LPCM 2.0, 1536Kbps
Output - LPCM 48KHz/16bits 2 Channels"

Post by **Genebaby** » Tue Sep 18, 2012 1:51 pm

I WANT this disc!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

strangeways · Post by **strangeways** » Tue Sep 18, 2012 2:14 pm

Genebaby wrote:I WANT this disc!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Me too!
Whoever gets to it first - let us all share in the wealth!
http://www.kissarmyspain.com/2012/09/ki ... liberando/

PinkWiz · Post by **PinkWiz** » Tue Sep 18, 2012 4:10 pm

haha @ 12:19... Paul and Vinnie in a finger tapping competition!

strangeways wrote:Sorry if posted already but this is the first I've seen of this footage.
Get's much clearer after the first song.

[youtube][/youtube]

Possio · Post by **Possio** » Tue Sep 18, 2012 7:39 pm

wow, my first rock concert ever was this tour in Stockholm, Nov 1983.
Young and very impressionable.. haha, cool stuff.

Post by **Genebaby** » Tue Sep 18, 2012 10:29 pm

The whole show is out there, this was also posted recently.

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doublev2 · Post by **doublev2** » Tue Sep 18, 2012 11:56 pm

love the gold rr.. vv should not have painted it in my opinion but it makes like fun I suppose.

poserboy71 · Post by **poserboy71** » Wed Sep 19, 2012 3:22 am

Young And Wasted
[youtube][/youtube]

Hearing Gene sing it live is cool .
Also, Hearing the guys go for the background vocals like the recording is cool.

The Animalize Tour version is cool with Eric Carr singing and the altered chorus ,but, I prefer this version for the sheer recklessness of it.

doublev2 · Post by **doublev2** » Wed Sep 19, 2012 6:14 am

why did Eric start singing it? this surely is the only time something like that happened when the guy who originally sang it is still in the band.

poserboy71 · Post by **poserboy71** » Wed Sep 19, 2012 6:33 am

One only needs to listen to Gene struggling to have the answer as to why Eric started singing it.
That being said, I dig Gene's live(struggling) version. VERY PRIMAL !!!!

doublev2 · Post by **doublev2** » Wed Sep 19, 2012 6:34 am

good description rick

Post by **Genebaby** » Wed Sep 19, 2012 7:17 am

Plus Eric would have been happy to sing another song live.

PinkWiz · Post by **PinkWiz** » Wed Sep 19, 2012 10:13 am

I love the studio version but Eric should've sang it on the album... hell, imo he should've had at least ONE lead vocal on every album in the 8o's.

erg2 · Post by **erg2** » Fri Sep 21, 2012 3:35 am

PinkWiz wrote:I love the studio version but Eric should've sang it on the album... hell, imo he should've had at least ONE lead vocal on every album in the 8o's.

I'm in total agreement. I love Eric's interpretation of the lead vocal. I think his voice suits the song better. I like the swagger of the Animalize Live version with the lower backing vocals. The only thing I dislike is Bruce's solo. I can't put my finger on it, but it just doesn't have the "bite" that Vinnie's had. I like a lot of Bruce's other stuff, but even when I saw this for the first time I thought that solo was just boring and uninspired.

To you guitar players, am I making an emotional judgement or is there something lacking technically in Bruce's solo?

doublev2 · Post by **doublev2** » Fri Sep 21, 2012 6:01 am

Well thumbs up to Gene for letting Eric sing. I wonder if VV was in the band still if he would have had the honors. eer i don't recall if VV wrote that song or not. errr uhhh mmmm

PinkWiz · Post by **PinkWiz** » Fri Sep 21, 2012 7:48 am

Erg, yes it's probably just something uninspired that Bruce threw in at the last minute.

Dino, yes Vinnie and Gene wrote it. I remember reading that Vinnie was promised a lead vocal on Animalize but of course that never worked out. Eric would've been peeved, understandably so.