Vote for VVI for Top Guitar Album of 1986

poserboy71 · Post by **poserboy71** » Sun Sep 11, 2011 9:39 am

I agree about Racer X in every aspect except the album's production. THAT's where it loses out and the VVI album hits it home.

Cernex · Post by **Cernex** » Sun Sep 11, 2011 12:40 pm

One whole day of voting later, the album is back the top.

Now if you excuse me, time to get drunk.

metatron · Post by **metatron** » Sun Sep 11, 2011 3:25 pm

Yes VVI 1986 is awesome, but now in retrospect, the force drum machine type drumming sucks. The songs could have been even better if Vinnie didn't force Bobby to play like a machine. I hasn't got the cool groove of ASG. And also I'm a big fan of the complicated layered guitars in ASG. Sounds a lot smoother & at the same time heavy, without sounding forced to be heavy. Like heavy as in groove wise. Albums like Billy Idol's Whiplash Smile & Ratt's Dancing undercover, were already doing these smooth guitar layer (what VVI eventually end up doing in ASG), in 86. In ASG VV took the art of layers those guitars parts to a new level. You can really notice it in the ASG Unmixed version.

shramiac · Post by **shramiac** » Sun Sep 11, 2011 5:10 pm

I never understood the "drum machine" style either! Some syncopated bass drum fills here and there could have been worked in with the guitar licks and it would have been way cool!

Not that he didn't though! It's just sometimes the ole 1 & 3 gets a bit monotonous!!

doublev2 · Post by **doublev2** » Sun Sep 11, 2011 5:52 pm

I love bobby but the drum sound was the weekest part of both vvi records in my opinion. Not sure why. Either the drums he used, the mics, the mix , the engineer. If they had the Eric carr kiss sound on that record it would have burned down my parents house in the 80s. I love bobby just not on vvi , nelson or hardline.

doublev2 · Post by **doublev2** » Sun Sep 11, 2011 5:58 pm

I voted about 500 times last night for vv and he was number one by 3% and then I wake up and he is back in second. I heard they delete all votes that from the same ip more than once so I hope I have not wasted my time. Stryper won 84 album but then they deleted the return votes and they dopped from 43% to a lot less.

shramiac · Post by **shramiac** » Sun Sep 11, 2011 5:59 pm

Oh well! Both forums tried!!!!

doublev2 · Post by **doublev2** » Sun Sep 11, 2011 6:15 pm

Some of the earlier polls have not been closed . Looks like frank zappa wins by a long way from stryper in the old votes. It's just a case of what forums take this up. What's worrying is I bet this poll is up for many weeks.

doublev2 · Post by **doublev2** » Sun Sep 11, 2011 6:30 pm

Maybe vv will see that with all of us voting so much for him that we are far more loyal fans than he gives us credit. Dokken, Vai and even kiss don't have fans that will vote hundreds of times. He doesnt know what he had. He just thinks he's a victim. What victim has fans like us.

poserboy71 · Post by **poserboy71** » Mon Sep 12, 2011 12:40 am

Like I said before--- He isn't giving us any credit YET we will continue to do something like this because we love the guy.

metatron · Post by **metatron** » Mon Sep 12, 2011 12:52 am

He spy(der)ing on us all the time. Probably has a huge ego thinking to himself, 'Look at those losers, I treat them like shit & they still support me'. He laughing in our faces & we are so honorable that we turn the other cheek & still support him. Ultimately the joke is on him. Vinnies all dressed up & no where to go ho! ho!

poserboy71 · Post by **poserboy71** » Mon Sep 12, 2011 12:56 am

Vinnie/Spyder sharing a laugh at my expense??? At our expense???
Vinnie and I will "share a laugh" one day. PROMISE.

jesternjeff · Post by **jesternjeff** » Mon Sep 12, 2011 1:31 am

Its neck & neck ... vote , vote, vote, vote , vote !!!!!

Cernex · Post by **Cernex** » Mon Sep 12, 2011 2:12 am

And he's at the top again, :3

doublev2 · Post by **doublev2** » Mon Sep 12, 2011 3:28 am

I had 3 computers going at the same time. I voted so much got blocked, then i just switched to my neighbors WiFi. I bet I voted 2000 times today

wolfgang161272 · Post by **wolfgang161272** » Mon Sep 12, 2011 3:42 am

doublev2 wrote:I had 3 computers going at the same time. I voted so much got blocked, then i just switched to my neighbors WiFi. I bet I voted 2000 times today

You're kidding!!! 2000 times ???? I've posted 53 times and that's enough for today......

doublev2 · Post by **doublev2** » Mon Sep 12, 2011 4:14 am

I am finished.. done my bit. It's not for vv but for the music.

wolfgang161272 · Post by **wolfgang161272** » Mon Sep 12, 2011 5:14 am

doublev2 wrote:I am finished.. done my bit. It's not for vv but for the music.

OK I understand! The music was and is great on this album

1031 · Post by **1031** » Mon Sep 12, 2011 12:14 pm

I voted... but only once, not to be a buzz kill but if you vote each 200 times its just 8 guys voting 200 times its not a real representation of how many people like the album , sorry I worked for a statistical research company I get weird about that stuff...Please by all means rock on, it was a great album.

erg2 · Post by **erg2** » Mon Sep 12, 2011 12:41 pm

Normally I would agree with you, but the Ramones contingent started the battle. The way I see it, if the "rules of voting" don't apply then I look at as which group of fans is the most passionate about hoisting up their favorite album!
And there was no way in hell I was going to let a handful of Ramones fans show up the VVFF Army!!
And there is no way in hell that ANY Ramones album is a better guitar album than VVI!!

I just checked (& voted a few hundred times) and we are ahead by almost 10%!

GREAT WORK VVFF!

doublev2 · Post by **doublev2** » Wed Sep 14, 2011 1:52 am

Another poll to vote vinnie. http://www.guitarworld.com/poll-who-fas ... t-all-time

doublev2 · Post by **doublev2** » Wed Sep 14, 2011 6:13 am

woops. saw vinnie moore and thought vv. vv not on list. I would say he can play as fast or faster than all of them.

shramiac · Post by **shramiac** » Wed Sep 14, 2011 9:21 am

It's been "scientifically" done already although strangely, Vinnie didn't get a mention????

poserboy71 · Post by **poserboy71** » Thu Sep 15, 2011 4:49 am

That shows you how much Vinnie is on their radar.

doublev2 · Post by **doublev2** » Thu Sep 15, 2011 5:14 am

Speed means nothing anyway. Speed is great used well but is ultimately boring. It in the silences that you hear the genius.
That sade 80s vv could have blitzed those guys in my opinion. no idea about present vv. I think he's on the computer too much to keep up his talent. Moderating that forum is the death of his new music. If he just quit the computer for 6 months he may actually put something out.

poserboy71 · Post by **poserboy71** » Thu Sep 15, 2011 5:33 am

My thoughts exactly Dino.

doublev2 · Post by **doublev2** » Thu Sep 15, 2011 4:28 pm

Vv will go off the rails if he looses. We will see some threats on youtube etc.

erg2 · Post by **erg2** » Fri Sep 16, 2011 2:05 am

I'm just a drummer, but I love-love-loved metal back in the day (all music really, but especially metal) while there were a LOT of shredders and fast players, there didn't seem to be anyone that sounded remotely like Vinnie. I think he was a truly unique player and then when you'd add in the melodic stuff he would compose and play...jeez. It's a shame he didn't ascend to get the recognition like Vai, Malmsteen, etc.

doublev2 · Post by **doublev2** » Fri Sep 16, 2011 3:26 am

I am some sort of drummer too. I agree no one sounded like him. For some reason vv didn't get taken as seriously . Maybe because he was so different. Shame. The biggest waste of talent I can think of off hand.

doublev2 · Post by **doublev2** » Fri Sep 16, 2011 3:32 am

It's more of a shame his career has led him to fighting and threatening most of his fans rather than working on music. Over and over again he over values himself which results in him making no money and not getting anywhere .

erg2 · Post by **erg2** » Sat Sep 17, 2011 4:48 am

It cost him a gig in KISS, it cost him his solo band, it cost him his record deal, it cost him his song-writing gig with KISS...he "over-valued" himself out of everything!!

Brooklyn_Born · Post by **Brooklyn_Born** » Sat Sep 17, 2011 6:20 am

And he still believes the problem lies elsewhere?!

Brooklyn_Born · Post by **Brooklyn_Born** » Sat Sep 17, 2011 6:34 am

The Ramones are really picking up momentum now... 48.72% vs. 36.01% (VVI)

Vinnie-maybe if you treated us with an ounce of respect & slightly appreciated us we would get your album over the line ... To be honest I stopped voting for you...found myself asking why I was voting for a guy that just don't care...?? Can you dig it??

poserboy71 · Post by **poserboy71** » Sat Sep 17, 2011 9:54 am

I gave him my one and only vote.
He can suck on that !!!

KissMyAss · Post by **KissMyAss** » Wed Sep 21, 2011 4:11 pm

Hey, the words "Metallica sucks" is blaspheme.

doublev2 · Post by **doublev2** » Wed Sep 21, 2011 4:21 pm

I respect metallica but hammett doesn't compare to a lot of these guys in my opinion. I would go for kane Roberts over him.

KissMyAss · Post by **KissMyAss** » Wed Sep 21, 2011 4:24 pm

Done. 1 extra vote for the Ahnk warrior.

Brooklyn_Born · Post by **Brooklyn_Born** » Wed Sep 21, 2011 4:30 pm

Ramones will end up with 60% of the vote which is unfair compared to true guitar albums like VVI & 5150 but this is a popularity contest & Vinnie just won't win it...

doublev2 · Post by **doublev2** » Wed Sep 21, 2011 4:32 pm

He was great in the 80s . Too bad the route he took since.

doublev2 · Post by **doublev2** » Wed Sep 21, 2011 4:35 pm

What finished him is suing kiss over and over for the same thing. Each time loosing more and more . I am surprised lawyers have not taken everything he owns.