New Music

[doublev2]

Back then there were a huge amount of record stores so if all stores in usa bought a copy that was like 50 thousand sales. So they call it fast selling based on record stores ordering from the first run . My dad ran a record label and was also head of parlaphone records and Rca and a top a and r guy at virgin. I know the tricks but ASG never went close to gold and still not .

[doublev2]

VVI fans pushing for Slaughter??? Lol.lol lol you are surely laughing at your own thoughts. I am certain you are joking haha. So you think vvi fans were soooooo into Slaughter it finally made MTV play up all night..that's so absurd and funny if it's not so tragic to hear.

La Guns were definitely bigger than vvi when on that tour. Maybe when it was booked they were not. I can't remember when sex action came out but I used to hear it a lot on z rock and rock channels

Up All Night a hit from moment played on MTV. And no VVI fans were not demanding Slaughter and VVI was not being played on MTV. Barely on Headbangers Ball. They did bring The All Systems go videos back to headbangers ball after Slaughter made it and added featuring Mark Slaughter . That TIme of Year got played more after Slaughter came out than it did before they broke up. Still not much though.

VV Archives clearly wasn't around then or is insane

Once again, you f'ing lie your ass off.

MTV didn't give a shit about "Up All Night". It began play on the channel 2-3-1990 Billboard. It took 4 weeks of VVI fans/ Slaughter International pushing the hell out of it. Using phone trees to tell tons of people "Voting was open" and then spamming calls to Dial-MTV. 4 weeks of that before MTV even "added" the damn video to Roation! The rotation began - March 10th 1990 Billboard.

Some of use bring the facts and then truth. Ones, like you just spew lies and say, I remember as a kid. Your memory sucks or you're an habitual liar or most likely both.


Thankfully at least Chrysalis was on record saying how Slaughter broke. All your lies and hatred of Vinnie won't change that reality

But you're the tool who acted like you couldn't believe LA Guns was opening for VVI, when we know from LA Guns themselves, they went back home broke and couldn't get another tour at all after being booted from VVI. It really must suck to be you. Spewing BS that is so easily destroyed.

[doublev2]

Slaughter stick it to ya ..went double platinum and they wrote half the album while recording it and both Dana and Mark has very few songwriter credits before that. Pretty amazing achievement even if I don't care for the record

[doublev2]

If vvi had sold half a million copies of asg in a few weeks with no MTV video how come playing tiny nightclubs with low attendances on tour?

[Genebaby]

Tom is a nice guy and he didn't want any 'expsosure bucks" from Vinnie, that was the deal with the original Pear, Vinnie was supposed to use it extensively and promote the crap out of it. None of which happened. Tom was too nice to do all those guitars and take the abuse that the job came with.

You simply CANNOT just flip off those guitars as not much, they are absolutely the highest quality custom built guitars, and he got jack for it. The best thing that happened to Tom is we got involved and he sold a few thanks to this place. It was a raw deal, that is all there is to it. Vinnie screwed Tom, he did.

[VVArchives]

If vvi had sold half a million copies of asg in a few weeks with no MTV video how come playing tiny nightclubs with low attendances on tour?

Because like most things you claim. Its "made up"

[VVArchives]

Slaughter stick it to ya ..went double platinum and they wrote half the album while recording it and both Dana and Mark has very few songwriter credits before that. Pretty amazing achievement even if I don't care for the record

It certainly helped it was their 3rd album on Chrysalis and they had a huge amount of exposure including video's that got played a ton on MTV and were in the daily countdown shows. That they were in hundreds of magazines together before Slaughter.

and of course, the President of Chrysalis and the guy underneath him admitted how important VVI and the VVI fans were towards breaking them.

I know that you just ignored the facts about Little Caesar etc.... when you were confronted with your false opinion that it was typical for MTV to wait 5 weeks or more to finally add an artist. That facts prove differently. Great thing those facts.

[VVArchives]

VVI fans pushing for Slaughter??? Lol.lol lol you are surely laughing at your own thoughts. I am certain you are joking haha. So you think vvi fans were soooooo into Slaughter it finally made MTV play up all night..that's so absurd and funny if it's not so tragic to hear.

La Guns were definitely bigger than vvi when on that tour. Maybe when it was booked they were not. I can't remember when sex action came out but I used to hear it a lot on z rock and rock channels

You aren't laughing at me. You're laughing at John Sykes the President of Chrysalis who said that. You're laughing at his #2 who said that. They are on record. The receipts were brought. Once again, all you have is your false opinion on the matter.

Odd how you claim LA Guns were bigger. But yet, LA Guns is on record saying after they were booted off that tour, they went home broke and they couldn't get another tour. Those facts don't seem to back up your anti-Vinnie opinion at all. Once again, facts are a wonderful thing.

[VVArchives]

Back then there were a huge amount of record stores so if all stores in usa bought a copy that was like 50 thousand sales. So they call it fast selling based on record stores ordering from the first run . My dad ran a record label and was also head of parlaphone records and Rca and a top a and r guy at virgin. I know the tricks but ASG never went close to gold and still not .

So 5000 stores X 1 = 50,000 Wow, that is some new math for sure.

You don't know math. You don't know how the RIAA works and certification. You don't know anything about ASG's sales. You don't know anything about what is considered "sales".

and I certainly believe your "claim" you dad did that. I mean, the lack of knowledge you've shown here makes that real real believable.... if I was in "Fantasy Land".

[VVArchives]

All Systems go no way even close sold 500 thousand ever..Even now . That would certify it gold and it never did..mark said in one of his last interviews in vvi that he had hoped the album would go gold. This is after the video. You are basically saying all systems go went gold in less than a month with no music videos, singles. MTV of.radio play
That is the most absurd thing I have ever heard .

I'm talking sales not certification. And no album at that time would go gold or platinum in a month or less time. If you knew anything, you'd know that. Motley Crue would not go gold or platinum certification in a months time in 1988. Impossible to do.

And I didn't say in less than a month. What I said is they had shipped out almost 500K by the time "That Time Of Year" was released.

[Genebaby]

The saddest part of the VVI tours, especially the first one, was that they didn't have Robert there to sing the first albums songs, at least for that first tour. Losing Robert after the tour would have been easier to take, with Mark doing the second album and needing to cover both albums on the subsequent tour, of course.

Never hearing those first album songs sung live by Robert is something we can never get back. Like those drum tracks that got erased on the first album. If only.

[aeroflott]

In a vague attempt to get this back on track, this was posted on one of the VV Facebook Groups yesterday. Supposedly Vinnie's words:

MESSAGE FROM VINNIE VINCENT :
Hey guys..
Manno..It's been a musically busy two years for me. Shit..i got 4 months of emails i haven't answered yet..
Putting the final mixing touches on the new VINNIE VINCENT album..a beast! Very proud....will be making formal announcement soon with all the details..
Moremoremore...
I hesitate....but fuck it..here: I've been working fever pitch recording and finishing five albums including the new release that's coming out. About 40 songs. Major exciting time for me. The REAL Vault is opening. hoping over the next 24 months some of those five albums hit online stores.
ALSO COMING......
NEW VINNIE VINCENT SINGLE. Thats all I can say right now. But yeah.. nice one....Saintly.
YOU GUYS READY TO PARTY WITH ME?
LIVE BAND.
January 13.14
SIR SOUNDSTAGE NASHVILLE
MUSIC CITY USA.
**SEE ROGER GARRISON for details**
WE ARE ROCKIN IT.
Time for some fun. Get down. Wipe the tears away.
LOVE U ALL.
See u soon.
V

So new album. Check.
Playing with a live band in January in Nashville. Check.

I guess time will tell!

[Genebaby]

Look at the time line now! "hoping" in the next 24 months. When will we actually get something? The supposed single? Who does that anymore, it's not the 80's Vinnie, no singles, give us the music you supposedly have.

Time will tell on it all. Will he ever play with a live band, will this music be released. Check back in late 2024.

[pullitt]

The singles now are videos. Something else to look forward to.

[Genebaby]

Videos hey? Interesting....

[doublev2]

Why vinnie keep announce the same thing over and over and never delivering it?

Vv archives isn't worth me reading the insane posts so not reading or replying.

[doublev2]

I would appreciate the admin here not allowing someone to refer to me as a liar. Not exactly a nice situation constantly being called a liar

[Genebaby]

True man, true. Too much leeway has been given to that certain person, who knows who he is. Let's hope he plays like a nice, normal person from now on. His attitude is no longer welcome.

[VVArchives]

I would appreciate the admin here not allowing someone to refer to me as a liar. Not exactly a nice situation constantly being called a liar

What should someone be called who constantly makes things up?

What was your latest false claim? You claimed Paul Stanley went bankrupt in 2004.

Wouldn't it be great if others actually called you out for all the untrue things you post?

[Genebaby]

Look, it doesn't cost anything to be nice.

Do you sit at your keyboard with your teeth gritted in anger? That is the image I get when I see some of your writing.

So chillax, or maybe see a specialist about why you can't play nice.

Really, I mean it, take a chill pill dude. You are far too tense and aggravated and nobody appreaciates it.

Please take this is it's intended, advice to help you be a better person.

[pullitt]

Look, it doesn't cost anything to be nice.

To quote a legend: "I really wouldn't mind, but you know I've got my pride to think of, aha".

[Genebaby]

Speedin'g back to my baby!!!!

[Safari4ad]

All Systems go no way even close sold 500 thousand ever..Even now . That would certify it gold and it never did..mark said in one of his last interviews in vvi that he had hoped the album would go gold. This is after the video. You are basically saying all systems go went gold in less than a month with no music videos, singles. MTV of.radio play
That is the most absurd thing I have ever heard .

I was just coming to say the same thing. As far as I've been able to find, ASG still isn't at Gold status, much less in '88 before any of the singles were even out.

The idea that VVI was more popular on MTV than Kiss is absurd. VVArchives can say whatever he wants about our memories, but CCN and Reason to Live were MASSIVE at the time, especially on Dial MTV or whatever the fan request show was called. I was a huge MTV viewer back then, and I saw Boyz are Gonna Rock maybe three times? As opposed to months and months of seeing the videos from CCN every day, not to mention Let's Put the X in Sex, Rise to It, Forever, etc.

I like Vinnie and the Invasion. I haven't been burned in any way as far as the boxsets or cancelled shows or anything, so I have zero reason to lie about the man. In fact, I'm hoping he gets his shit together enough to actually release all the music that he keeps saying he's going to. I'd happily get in line to buy new Vinnie tunes, as long as he isn't trying to charge $350 per CD for them.

But as far as ASG and the rest of it goes, it sure seems to me that DoubleV's version of events/sales figures/MTV rotation matches my own memory of how events went down a lot more accurately than VVArchives.

Now if you'll all excuse me, I'm going to go ahead and prepare myself for the inevitable explosion of vitriol that's certain to be heading my way any second now.

[Slayer]

Now if you'll all excuse me, I'm going to go ahead and prepare myself for the inevitable explosion of vitriol that's certain to be heading my way any second now.

Thank you for this, that is seriously funny. We got your back as 99% of us feel the same. It is sometimes hard to stay balanced with the praise and criticism of Vinnie but we try. The truth is Vinnie deserves both...............

[VVArchives]

All Systems go no way even close sold 500 thousand ever..Even now . That would certify it gold and it never did..mark said in one of his last interviews in vvi that he had hoped the album would go gold. This is after the video. You are basically saying all systems go went gold in less than a month with no music videos, singles. MTV of.radio play
That is the most absurd thing I have ever heard .

I was just coming to say the same thing. As far as I've been able to find, ASG still isn't at Gold status, much less in '88 before any of the singles were even out.

The idea that VVI was more popular on MTV than Kiss is absurd. VVArchives can say whatever he wants about our memories, but CCN and Reason to Live were MASSIVE at the time, especially on Dial MTV or whatever the fan request show was called. I was a huge MTV viewer back then, and I saw Boyz are Gonna Rock maybe three times? As opposed to months and months of seeing the videos from CCN every day, not to mention Let's Put the X in Sex, Rise to It, Forever, etc.

But as far as ASG and the rest of it goes, it sure seems to me that DoubleV's version of events/sales figures/MTV rotation matches my own memory of how events went down a lot more accurately than VVArchives.

Actually DoubleV is usually wrong about everything he says. He constantly claims things are one way and he can never back up any of his claims.

You claim you saw Boyz only 3 times. That means you didn't watch MTV at all. I've pointed out how many weeks in Roations Boyz was and the level. You've just proven you didn't watch MTV and your memory is horrible (or both).

Good thing Billboard printed the real rotations out and we aren't having to rely on faulty memories of people.

Also, wouldn't it be great if people actually understood how the RIAA worked. So many have no idea.


Some can't stand the reality of Chryslis shipped 250.000 units of ASG and they were already having to ship out another 50,000 units the first week because of re-orders. Of course, some made false claims about VVI not getting much press. When that was a joke. There was a ton of promotion for VVI in countless magazine after magazine.

and what really sinks all the nonsense is the Chrysalis executives pointing out how Slaughter broke in Billboard. Facts VS False Memories.

[VVArchives]

Thank you for this, that is seriously funny. We got your back as 99% of us feel the same. It is sometimes hard to stay balanced with the praise and criticism of Vinnie but we try. The truth is Vinnie deserves both...............

You prefer people making stuff up instead of dealing with reality? Now we are back to the nonsense of Boyz was hardly ever played vs the reality. Thankfully, Billboard proves people are talking out of their A**

[doublev2]

This is absurd. Please show me direct link to asg going gold. Lol. Asg was a mega flop

[doublev2]

Direct link to billboard ASG Sales please

You will find also zero radio play for ASG singles

Thank you for this, that is seriously funny. We got your back as 99% of us feel the same. It is sometimes hard to stay balanced with the praise and criticism of Vinnie but we try. The truth is Vinnie deserves both...............

You prefer people making stuff up instead of dealing with reality? Now we are back to the nonsense of Boyz was hardly ever played vs the reality. Thankfully, Billboard proves people are talking out of their A**

[doublev2]

It peaked at 64 in the charts Lol . That's actually higher than I expected. But that ain't no gold selling record https://billboard.elpee.jp/album/All%20 ... 0Invasion/

[doublev2]

Yngwie's odyssey album in charts at same time and peaked at 40 and didn't certify gold. Also yngeie headlining much bigger venues

[VVArchives]

Yngwie's odyssey album in charts at same time and peaked at 40 and didn't certify gold. Also yngeie headlining much bigger venues

Everyone knows Billboard charts were completely screwed up and not that worthwhile. Hence, the need for Soundscan.

[doublev2]

Invasion peaked at 64 and waa 29 weeks in charts.
https://billboard.elpee.jp/album/Vinnie ... 0Invasion/

https://billboard.elpee.jp/album/All%20 ... 0Invasion/

Asg also peaked at 64 and 15 weeks on charts .

Slaughter peaked at 18 and 85 weeks in charts . And 4q weeks in top 40. Slaughter went double platinum. No certification for any Vinnie records.
https://billboard.elpee.jp/album/Stick% ... Slaughter/

[Genebaby]

Yeah, that's (sadly) not impressive.

Make no mistake, noboby here is glad about the failure of any Vinnie project but facts are facts. ASG should have been a huge seller, same as the first album, but it wasn't to be.

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[doublev2]

I have to say I am shocked it got that High from very little MTV play. They did get a bit of magazine coverage

[VVArchives]

Direct link to billboard ASG Sales please

You will find also zero radio play for ASG singles

It wasn't in Billboard. But of course Billboard did carry the direct quotes from the executives at Chrysalis and gave alot of credit to VVI and its fans to breaking Slaughter. Those direct quotes have been posted and the date of the issue. Odd, you tried to dismiss that reality.


Zero radio play for any ASG singles? Really. That's odd.

So will you leave with your head in shame and never post again when you are proven wrong?

Radio And Records January 3, 1988 Page 66

New Artists

#1 Tracy Champman Fast Car Reports 83
#2 Guns N Roses SCOM Reports 76
#3 Lita Ford Close My Eye Forever Reports 52

#9 Vinnie Vincent Invasion "Ashes To Ashes" Reports 44


Once again, you lose! And you should never be allowed to post your garbage and false claims ever again! All you do is make up garbage!

[doublev2]

But no gold And I would like to see some real billboard link from vv archives who tells everyone everything I say is a lie... so show me the link.
I can't believe this guy is allowed on here but as long as he is show the evidence

[Genebaby]

Do you actually have these issues you are quoting from?

Can you post some nice sorted pics? Like I did with the ASG chart history?

Or is it available on the web somewhere?

[VVArchives]

Yeah, that's (sadly) not impressive.

Make no mistake, noboby here is glad about the failure of any Vinnie project but facts are facts. ASG should have been a huge seller, same as the first album, but it wasn't to be.

Yes, facts are the facts. Vinnie's Invasion was right below gold before Invasion was released.

ASG shipped like gangbusters. Re-orders don't come pouring in like they did if it wasn't selling. And that was all before "That Time Of Year" even hit the airwaves or "Love Kills"

[doublev2]

Executives at chrysalis lol..it's there job to promote the record. My dad actually worked for chrysalis and about 6 other labels and they have writers to make up lies about the bands. Show the link to gold please and stop calling me a liar

Direct link to billboard ASG Sales please

You will find also zero radio play for ASG singles

It wasn't in Billboard. But of course Billboard did carry the direct quotes from the executives at Chrysalis and gave alot of credit to VVI and its fans to breaking Slaughter. Those direct quotes have been posted and the date of the issue. Odd, you tried to dismiss that reality.


Zero radio play for any ASG singles? Really. That's odd.

So will you leave with your head in shame and never post again when you are proven wrong?

Radio And Records January 3, 1988 Page 66

New Artists

#1 Tracy Champman Fast Car Reports 83
#2 Guns N Roses SCOM Reports 76
#3 Lita Ford Close My Eye Forever Reports 52

#9 Vinnie Vincent Invasion "Ashes To Ashes" Reports 44


Once again, you lose! And you should never be allowed to post your garbage and false claims ever again! All you do is make up garbage!

[doublev2]

Ashes to Ashes as far as I know wasn't a single so how did radio play it ?

[doublev2]

Show direct link to radio play of Ashes to Ashes. It's impossible it was correct . There was no play. Its possible a small station played it and reported it as number 9 but official radio play ..show the link please

[doublev2]

Also look at billboard sales for fist vvi album..not a fast selling album. Only peaked at 64. Not a hit.

[VVArchives]

But no gold And I would like to see some real billboard link from vv archives who tells everyone everything I say is a lie... so show me the link.
I can't believe this guy is allowed on here but as long as he is show the evidence

And who was going to have it certified? Obviously you have no idea how the RIAA and certification works.

The guy who was President was Vinnie was signed was gone.

The guy who screwed up the promotion of ASG and had it out with Vinnie, he is not going to want to go certify two albums when Vinnie was already on his way out of the label.

And why would John Sykes care to have it certified? What good would that to him?


Why not complain that Chrysalis hasn't ever certified "Stick It To Ya" for 3M when it past that mark 20 years ago or more.

Why not complain KiSS Alive is still gold and their whole catalogue is screwed up?


Maybe I would post the link for Radio And Records airplay instead of just giving you the page #, date etc. But why?

You'd still be posting disinformation constantly. That's all you do. You just make things up.

[VVArchives]

Ashes to Ashes as far as I know wasn't a single so how did radio play it ?

You don't know jack, that's why you don't know.

You mean the "Ashes To Ashes" 12" with the "ASG Medly" with it?

You probably never saw one of those either.

[VVArchives]

Also look at billboard sales for fist vvi album..not a fast selling album. Only peaked at 64. Not a hit.

Again, relying on Billboard which was highly inaccurate.

And regardless of the terrible accuracy- how many weeks was it on the charts with only 1 video?

For KISS to be on the charts that long for most of the 80's they needed 3 videos to bolster it on the charts.
(waiting for you to claim video play wasn't a chart competent next)

It's 29 weeks on the charts certainly beats "Smashes, Trashes & Hits" which sold 2M


And if you want to know how shitty the charts were HOT IN THE SHADE at 36 wks had the 2nd longest chart run of any KISS album in the 80's, but that album didn't sell jack. Sure it shipped gold, but it didn't actually sell anything. Sales of it were so bad, Polygram hired a marketing firm to determine why nobody was buying the album. By June of 1992, it had only sold 675K (and that included all sales). The label gave that figure in an "Entertainment Weekly" article on KISS when talking about Revenge.

So spare me the nonsense of charts. Once again, you have no idea what you are talking about. You don't know anything about the music industry.

[doublev2]

Fisrly not one
Not one vvi single broke into to 200 . Not one including boyz are gonna rock.
Secondly radio only playsed official singles unless a specialist station back then. Ashes to ashes medley was not an official single release with a 7 inch release .
How can an album go gold with zero charting singles?

Show me the direct link to ashes to ashes radio.play please

[VVArchives]

Show direct link to radio play of Ashes to Ashes. It's impossible it was correct . There was no play. Its possible a small station played it and reported it as number 9 but official radio play ..show the link please

I don't need to show more. I've already proved you wrong. You didn't even know about the 12" Ashes.

All you do is talk out your backside without knowing anything about the music industry and very little about VVI

[doublev2]

Look at the official certification from billboard .. zero .
So why you arguing

[doublev2]

You need to back up what you say when you call me a liar

Show direct link to radio play of Ashes to Ashes. It's impossible it was correct . There was no play. Its possible a small station played it and reported it as number 9 but official radio play ..show the link please

I don't need to show more. I've already proved you wrong. You didn't even know about the 12" Ashes.

All you do is talk out your backside without knowing anything about the music industry and very little about VVI

[VVArchives]

Fisrly not one
Not one vvi single broke into to 200 . Not one including boyz are gonna rock.
Secondly radio only playsed official singles unless a specialist station back then. Ashes to ashes medley was not an official single release with a 7 inch release .
How can an album go gold with zero charting singles?

Show me the direct link to ashes to ashes radio.play please

Its the Billboard Top 100. Albums are 200. Once again, you know nothing and keep proving it.

Now you are trying to hedge your bets because you were flat out wrong on Ashes being played at radio.

Nobody said Ashes was a single release. It was a B-Side

Video play and coverage in tons of magazines. Not too difficult.