Jim Crean talking about the VV thing RECENT

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Just stumbled upon this. Should be good. 34:45 mark.

[Genebaby]

Yeah, Vinnie probably did nothing to prepare for this while the actual band worked on the material before the plugged got pulled.

After CF, which was after this, it's gotta be a thing that Vinnie just cannot perform properly again, with a band like other artists do, yet he likes to advertise and pretend that it will happen. After CF the hope has gone.

[pullitt]

I don't remember this story being on CNN like Jim says. Can't find it now either. Must be a rockstar embellishment thing. Like Vinnie saying that when he was arrested, the cops were blasting Boys Are Gonna Rock in the room next to his cell. Still I gotta say Jim is the best Vinnie could hope for at this stage in his life. Judging by the Appice performances on youtube, Jim got even better with age.

[VVArchives]

Thank goodness Vinnie didn't work with him.

A lard ass wearing a witches hat. What a clown

It is funny how he admits Carmine was trying to milk the Vinnie bandwagon. Too bad Carmine has nothing going on so he wouldn't have to ride VInnie.

[Genebaby]

I will say the hat was strange to me, but he is American, and it is approaching Halloween, so I thought, yeah...ok.... Does he keep wearing it all year round? If then, I will put it down to him being American.

Either way, his hanging at home look would not be the same as his rockin' out with the band look, he would would obviously dress for the occasion. This seems to be what he wants to wear at home doing an interview.

Vinnie has some Vanilla Fudge gigs come up. I am guessing these will happen as people expect, ie, the band will play after the audience is in and they will perform familiar songs live.

He's also doing Rock n Roll Fantasy Camp next year with some cool people (not cool to me, but cool in the industry). I am guessing he will do this, and again perform as expected of the audience and his fellow musicians.

There is also a Box Set Carmine is selling, featuing a bunch of guitarists, not really sure what it's about, but I am going to say that you will get one if you orer it.

So Carmine has some stuff going on. What's Vinnie got going on? Is he even a musician anymore?

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Jim Crean is a musician, so he gets to wear a hat ))

[VVArchives]

Lets not forget who is booking Carmine gigs. Derek "The Con Man" Christopher.

That shows you how well Carmine is doing.

[Genebaby]

At one point Vinnie was loving Derek, but with Vinnie things go bad and it's the other guys fault. Seems Derek is getting things done for Carmine.

I think the different is that this time Derek has an artist who can actually get out there and do things, a proper musician. Vinnie could handle the coming out event, but not the show mid year with a reunion with Robert, which would have been magic.

Also the way Vinnie works is that Derek may get back in his favour. Look at his lawyer Mark, old family friend. He's in, he's out, he's back in again.

[VVArchives]

At one point Vinnie was loving Derek, but with Vinnie things go bad and it's the other guys fault. Seems Derek is getting things done for Carmine.

I think the different is that this time Derek has an artist who can actually get out there and do things, a proper musician. Vinnie could handle the coming out event, but not the show mid year with a reunion with Robert, which would have been magic.

Because Derek is a criminal and rips off people.

And what big things is Carmine doing with Derek? If Carmine was legit, he would have an actual booking agent. He's scraping the barrel with a con man and he's whining that Vinnie wouldn't let him release 200 pieces or 500. Carmine must really be desperate for money.

[aeroflott]

Why exactly is Derek a "criminal"?

[Genebaby]

Yes, there is somebody else we know who's actions are more inclined that way over time......

[shramiac]

Someone who works for Carmine told me this straight...

Carmine is actually quite active.

He has Vanilla Fudge, Cactus, King Kobra's new album with Summer '23 dates booked. A very well paid Rod Stewart tribute band gig, speaking engagements and Drum Wars with his brother.

Derek and Carmine are friendly but, the majority of his work is done by other booking agents, not Derek.

[VVArchives]

Why exactly is Derek a "criminal"?

Maybe you don't think lying to credit card companies etc is any big deal. You are probably cool with Derek stealing money and saying a concert happened when it didn't.

[aeroflott]

Why exactly is Derek a "criminal"?

Maybe you don't think lying to credit card companies etc is any big deal. You are probably cool with Derek stealing money and saying a concert happened when it didn't.

You want to expand on that? Because that's quite an accusation.

[doublev2]

Why exactly is Derek a "criminal"?

Maybe you don't think lying to credit card companies etc is any big deal. You are probably cool with Derek stealing money and saying a concert happened when it didn't.

ooohhh lying to credit card companies..ooohh .

[Genebaby]

What about the Vinnie classic, "Hey Eric, you're not gonna believe this, but I left my wallet at home".

[VVArchives]

Why exactly is Derek a "criminal"?

Maybe you don't think lying to credit card companies etc is any big deal. You are probably cool with Derek stealing money and saying a concert happened when it didn't.

ooohhh lying to credit card companies..ooohh .

Committing Fraud. No big deal. Lying to credit card companies and claiming a show actually happened when it didn't so then people had to provide proof (links to stories on the show being cancelled etc) when they were fighting to get their money returned for cancelled show.

But of course a POS like you would think that's no big deal because you support the corrupt Derek.

[aeroflott]

Why exactly is Derek a "criminal"?

Maybe you don't think lying to credit card companies etc is any big deal. You are probably cool with Derek stealing money and saying a concert happened when it didn't.

ooohhh lying to credit card companies..ooohh .

Committing Fraud. No big deal. Lying to credit card companies and claiming a show actually happened when it didn't so then people had to provide proof (links to stories on the show being cancelled etc) when they were fighting to get their money returned for cancelled show.

But of course a POS like you would think that's no big deal because you support the corrupt Derek.

That's nice.

Jesus dude.

[VVArchives]

Why exactly is Derek a "criminal"?

Maybe you don't think lying to credit card companies etc is any big deal. You are probably cool with Derek stealing money and saying a concert happened when it didn't.

ooohhh lying to credit card companies..ooohh .

Committing Fraud. No big deal. Lying to credit card companies and claiming a show actually happened when it didn't so then people had to provide proof (links to stories on the show being cancelled etc) when they were fighting to get their money returned for cancelled show.

But of course a POS like you would think that's no big deal because you support the corrupt Derek.

That's nice.

Jesus dude.

Odd oh no comment on the criminal Derek?

[Genebaby]

We don't have the insight into Derek you seem to have, so what can we say? If anyone does that stuff, it's not cool, but where is your proof? You've asked me for proof on things and I've shown you.

[VVArchives]

We don't have the insight into Derek you seem to have, so what can we say? If anyone does that stuff, it's not cool, but where is your proof? You've asked me for proof on things and I've shown you.

Here's just one good example of Derek and it includes links to lawsuits etc

Sued by credit card companies etc

https://www.kissfaq.com/forum18/viewtopic.php?t=127356


and people who went to Expo's did get alot of what they were promised.


I just hope Carmine gets royally screwed by DC! He thinks that guy is honest, trustworthy etc. Unbelievable.

[Genebaby]

Derek was the one to finally get Vinnie back into the public eye. How did he do that? I was amazed when it was announced, and then that it happened.

The Graceland show was a cluster of epic proportions. Vinnie didn't even prep anything with the band as the show got closer and closer and you would have to be Derek to know how things were arranged with Vinnie as Vinnie is not the best business partner to have, so I am sure there are other sides to the story.

I would wager that Carmine will be ok, and that with a normal artist the normal booking and ticketing rules will apply. I think it's been going for a while now and seems to be fine.

The takeaway here is the history of people who have worked for Vinnie, it doesn't seem to go well for long, or last.

Vinnie moves on to the next guy, and then the next. It's Neil Davis at the moment, but who knows for how long.