Joe D'Angelo talks about working with Vinnie

[aeroflott]

An interesting interview this week on Three Sides of The Coin.

No this isn't them bashing Vinnie, its Joe D'Angelo, organiser of the Kruise Fest, describing what it was like to work with Vinnie. Not only on the Kruise back in 2018, but also on other projects that he put together and proposed to Vinnie and his lawyer. Particularly interesting is Joe's description of what happened when he put together a business plan (supposedly worth $1.2M over 18 months) to Vinnie regarding a book, buying back some of his old music and re-releasing it and selling guitars.

Chat starts at around the 22:00 minute mark.

[Genebaby]

Wow, it seems quite a few people knew about the lie regarding Vinnie having a band at CF.

Fair call, it's not these guys place to tell the people who bought tickets, that was the job of the promoters, who only kept Vinnie's like going right until the end, when the joke was now on those fans.

I'm guessing it was a lie from start, but it would be nice if someone could ask Neil Davis about it. What happened to the band? Was there ever a band? What did you really hear through the door at the Vinnie band "rehearsal? Was Vinnie and band playing Rock and Roll Hell, or was it just a dor with a sign on it?

It is a time honoured Vinnie MO to agree to something and then make changes at the last minute, going against the previously agreed terms. It's has stopped a few things from occuring, like guitar lines, but as mentioned, it's harder for the poor promoter when it's a live show that's supposed to start very soon. Clearly this didn't happen at CF as it was well known to those involved there was no band, no "show of shows", but it did tank a deal with Ed Roman. Vinnie tried to change the deal from what was agreed and the deal died. Why? Why? Why?

Vinnie even shopped around his record deal to other companies, there is a rich tapestry of this behaviour. Again. Why? Why? Why?

They touch on so many correct things here, it's just sadly the way things are.

[aeroflott]

Hey, thanks for working up these ideas. But I don't think I need you. I'm going to take them and run with them myself!

Amazing.

[VVArchives]

Vinnie is right. He didn't need that clown. What's that guy done...some small KISS thing around the Cruise Ship. Woop de doo.


Mark making claims. That is sickening too. Mark blows so much smoke up people's butts. Hes a constant liar. So glad he got screwed with all those video releases recently. If anyone needs to lose alot its Mark.


Some people are just gullible enough to believe anything they say.

[VVArchives]

Vinnie even shopped around his record deal to other companies, there is a rich tapestry of this behaviour. Again. Why? Why? Why?

Because Enigma was going under. And he didn't want it to just get thrown out there like Bob Kulick's "Skull" album and be wasted. And Bob recorded that in late 1988 or early 1989 and look how long it took them to dump it out there and it did nothing.

You also forget Stryper and others on the label were doing the same thing.

and Hollywood Records probably would have bought it until they found out how much he spent recording it and how much it would take to buy the masters from Enigma.

I don't know why anyone would have a problem with Vinnie trying to save Guitarmageddon from being basically lost and nothing happening to it.

At least, he tried to get it a legitimate release.

But some will bitch about Vinnie no matter what.

[Genebaby]

Man, Vinnie does it with a lot of things. Guitars/record deals. He is never satisfied.

Maybe if he hadn't run with the guitars idea they would be decent guitars, probably still crazy prices, but at least a quality guitar for the $$$. The only decent guitars Vinnie had to sell were the ones he stole from Tom, when they were gone there was nothing but the Chinnie Chincents, with huge mark ups. Of course the mark up was massive on the stolen Tom guitars as they were free!

Look, with Vinnie it's so quick to have a falling out, with no prior warnings. That's it, you're done. He's been chewing through people since 2018. Amazingly he did get back with his long time lawyer, but that says a lot about him, I wouldn't have gone back after being dumped like that.

[pullitt]

Perhaps Vinnie should seize the moment to cozy up to Russian government. He'd get citizenship, mingle with the very cream of the Kremlin crop like Gerard Depardieu and, more recently, Steven Seagal do and become a rouble billionaire. It's totally doable, especially now, if it's the money that he's interested in. It'd be quite something to witness him shredd the Russian hymn in Red Square during a patriotic national holiday or maybe a military parade. That way he'd also relieve Western and English-speaking Kiss fans of the endless heartbreak he causes them.

Watcha think?

[aeroflott]

Vinnie is right. He didn't need that clown. What's that guy done...some small KISS thing around the Cruise Ship. Woop de doo.

Mark making claims. That is sickening too. Mark blows so much smoke up people's butts. Hes a constant liar. So glad he got screwed with all those video releases recently. If anyone needs to lose alot its Mark.

Some people are just gullible enough to believe anything they say.

Wow.

You are Vinnie and I claim my $10.

[Genebaby]

It's Vinnie all the way with him isn't it?

Vinnie's way or the highway, he can do no wrong.

[shramiac]

I'm Spartacus! Or Fartacus...I can't remember?

[doublev2]

Enigma wasn't going under . It was owned by capitol records

Vinnie even shopped around his record deal to other companies, there is a rich tapestry of this behaviour. Again. Why? Why? Why?

Because Enigma was going under. And he didn't want it to just get thrown out there like Bob Kulick's "Skull" album and be wasted. And Bob recorded that in late 1988 or early 1989 and look how long it took them to dump it out there and it did nothing.

You also forget Stryper and others on the label were doing the same thing.

and Hollywood Records probably would have bought it until they found out how much he spent recording it and how much it would take to buy the masters from Enigma.

I don't know why anyone would have a problem with Vinnie trying to save Guitarmageddon from being basically lost and nothing happening to it.

At least, he tried to get it a legitimate release.

But some will bitch about Vinnie no matter what.

[doublev2]

Robert told the real story many times . Vinnie was trying to get a better record deal the whole time they were recording after he had signed to enigma and enigma found out and dropped him .

Also enigma was just wound down by capitol as the heavy metal scene was dying . No way they would put a marketing budget on a bad AOR soft rock album by Skull in 1990 and the band's image didn't really help along with no obvious hit single .

Some of enigma bands were moved over to capitol and some dropped

Vinnie even shopped around his record deal to other companies, there is a rich tapestry of this behaviour. Again. Why? Why? Why?

Because Enigma was going under. And he didn't want it to just get thrown out there like Bob Kulick's "Skull" album and be wasted. And Bob recorded that in late 1988 or early 1989 and look how long it took them to dump it out there and it did nothing.

You also forget Stryper and others on the label were doing the same thing.

and Hollywood Records probably would have bought it until they found out how much he spent recording it and how much it would take to buy the masters from Enigma.

I don't know why anyone would have a problem with Vinnie trying to save Guitarmageddon from being basically lost and nothing happening to it.

At least, he tried to get it a legitimate release.

But some will bitch about Vinnie no matter what.

[Genebaby]

Thanks for the info Dino!!

[doublev2]

Easy to research enigma records. They were bought out in 1989 by capitol records and then in 1992 wound down because of the end of heavy metal scene and some artists were moved to capitol records owned Restelss Records and others dropped


"Enigma was formally acquired by Capitol/UMG in 1989.[3][5] Some of its catalog and operations were merged into the still independent Restless Records in 1991.[11]

Enigma's Canadian division was closed in 1992 and was reorganized into FRE Records before shuttering in 1999, after which its back catalogs was sold to DROG Records.

The Enigma catalog is controlled by Capitol Music Group, owned by Universal Music Group which acquired Capitol's former parent EMI and the majority of its recorded music operations in 2012."

[doublev2]

Enigma were basically a major label when they signed Vinnie . And as Robert said vinnie tried to shop around the material capitol/enigma had funded ..that's a major f&&k up you can't recover from ..having one label pay huge recording fees and then try to shop that very material to another label.

[Genebaby]

Enigma were basically a major label when they signed Vinnie . And as Robert said vinnie tried to shop around the material capitol/enigma had funded ..that's a major f&&k up you can't recover from ..having one label pay huge recording fees and then try to shop that very material to another label.

Oh for sure! You have to imagine the love they had for Vinnie when they discovered this. Scuttling his own ship.

[Luxor]

Enigma were basically a major label when they signed Vinnie . And as Robert said vinnie tried to shop around the material capitol/enigma had funded ..that's a major f&&k up you can't recover from ..having one label pay huge recording fees and then try to shop that very material to another label.

That is such utter BS. All you do is spew false info

[Luxor]

Robert told the real story many times . Vinnie was trying to get a better record deal the whole time they were recording after he had signed to enigma and enigma found out and dropped him .

Also enigma was just wound down by capitol as the heavy metal scene was dying . No way they would put a marketing budget on a bad AOR soft rock album by Skull in 1990 and the band's image didn't really help along with no obvious hit single .

Some of enigma bands were moved over to capitol and some dropped

Vinnie even shopped around his record deal to other companies, there is a rich tapestry of this behaviour. Again. Why? Why? Why?

Because Enigma was going under. And he didn't want it to just get thrown out there like Bob Kulick's "Skull" album and be wasted. And Bob recorded that in late 1988 or early 1989 and look how long it took them to dump it out there and it did nothing.

You also forget Stryper and others on the label were doing the same thing.

and Hollywood Records probably would have bought it until they found out how much he spent recording it and how much it would take to buy the masters from Enigma.

I don't know why anyone would have a problem with Vinnie trying to save Guitarmageddon from being basically lost and nothing happening to it.

At least, he tried to get it a legitimate release.

But some will bitch about Vinnie no matter what.

Boston-based singer/songwriter Brian Stevens first gained attention as one third of the Cavedogs, a power pop trio that never quite managed to make much of an impression beyond its devoted cult, although it did manage to produce a fine pair of albums, 1990's Joy Rides for Shut-Ins and 1992's Soul Martini. (They weren't helped at all by their initial label, Enigma Records, falling into bankruptcy mere weeks after their debut album's release.) Disillusioned, the Cavedogs split up in 1992. (Apple Music)


Robert said, Robert said.

[Luxor]

Enigma wasn't going under . It was owned by capitol records

Yeah, because no divisions of companies ever go under. Wow. I guess you missed plenty of business classes

[Luxor]

Enigma were basically a major label when they signed Vinnie . And as Robert said vinnie tried to shop around the material capitol/enigma had funded ..that's a major f&&k up you can't recover from ..having one label pay huge recording fees and then try to shop that very material to another label.

Where go you get this utter nonsense you spew on here? A major? You've gotta be kidding me.

In July 1989, "This year, Capitol-EMI bought 50% stakes in London-based Chrysalis Records and El Segundo-based Enigma Records for $75 million and $22 million"

Chrysalis was about bankrupt before the infusion of that $75M. Do you think that $75M made Chrysalis a major label? Hell no!

So what do you think a lousy $22M did for Enigma? Sure it allowed Enigma to sign Vinnie. But not much else.

Bob Kulick's record was recorded in 1988. They didn't even release it in 1989 while Hair Metal was still going strong. Or 1990 when it had plenty of life.


You destroyed all credibility when you tried to claim folded up Enigma was a MAJOR when Vinnie was signed. It was just a lousy division.


And so what if Vinnie tried to get a deal where Guitarmageddon could live instead of being tossed aside and a write off. If anything, Enigma should have been shopping the record to get back a big part of the recording budget. Some of you are so clueless, you act like if Vinnie had gotten another label interested, Vinnie would get the money and not the Enigma.


But sure Tiny little Enigma was almost a Major. What are you smoking??!

[Luxor]

Thanks for the info Dino!!

You love #FakeNews Anyone that spews any BS that attempts to make Vinnie look bad. That's the Truth in your eyes

[beano]

Well thanks for that Luxor. I learnt absolutely nothing from your 3 posts of absolutely nothing.

Spew spew Barney McGrew Cutbert Dibble & Grub

Pass the bucket

Luxor needs an aspirin

Get well soon

[doublev2]

Enigma wasn't going under . It was owned by capitol records

Yeah, because no divisions of companies ever go under. Wow. I guess you missed plenty of business classes

Enigma didn't go under it was closed down by capitol and some of the bands they wanted they switched over to restless records. That's a fact . Research it !

Robert said vv was shopping around and enigma found out and dropped the project . That's what Robert said. That's all I am going by as well as Andre the session drummer on the album.

I am happy for whoever this fan boy or girl is to believe that enigma records went under or bankrupt that's fine but they were owned by capitol and closed down . If you chose to believe otherwise then that's fine...makes zero difference to me ..

"What happened Enigma records?
Enigma was formally acquired by Capitol/UMG in 1989. Some of its catalog and operations were merged into the still independent Restless Records in 1991. Enigma's Canadian division was closed in 1992 and was reorganized into FRE Records before shuttering in 1999, after which its back catalogs was sold to DROG Records".

[doublev2]

Restless records were owned and started by enigma then sold off in 1992. No enigma bankruptcy or going under . If you understand the time luxor heavy metal died by the end of 1990 especially one that he was shopping around that they paid for ..even if you don't believe Robert .... No one would touch a Vinnie Vincent record by the time he got it together. Nothing to do with enigma

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Restless_ ... %20Records.