on facebook, Robert Fleischman

marcorocknrollz80s · Post by **marcorocknrollz80s** » Tue Jul 05, 2011 7:15 pm

on facebook, Robert Fleischman said that no one has asked him to publish sistem go with his voice, do not feel 15 years vinnie

wolfgang161272 · Post by **wolfgang161272** » Tue Jul 05, 2011 7:34 pm

The same shit we had the last 15 years with Vinnie..bla bla bla...

marcorocknrollz80s · Post by **marcorocknrollz80s** » Tue Jul 05, 2011 7:36 pm

727 · Post by **727** » Tue Jul 05, 2011 7:47 pm

he is just saying it out of spite for Slaughter. He will not re-record. Robert F also said publicly he would never work with him again anyway.

metatron · Post by **metatron** » Wed Jul 06, 2011 1:19 am

VV is caught out in a lie again...Why did VV re-record 'Shoot U Full of Love' with Mark singing if he didn't like his vocals. Like you said 727, it all talk to spite Slaughter.
VV needs to get over KISS & the Slaughter stuff & move on. If you keep looking in the rear view mirror you going to crash.
You can't rewrite history. What is done is done. Say sorry to your fans & people you have swindled (It's not that hard VV), take responsabity for your actions. Deal with the now, look forward & release some new material.

VVV · Post by **VVV** » Wed Jul 06, 2011 2:13 am

Robert Fleischman: I haven't talk to vinnie and over 15 years I'm still haven't heard from him.. You think if someone's going to say things like this they would have talked to me
18 hours ago ·

Giuliano Silva Ognio: ‎- OK ROBERT, I ASKED ABOUT THAT BECAUSE THE INFO APPEARS ON THE VINNIE OFFICAL CHANNEL IN YOUTUBE.
18 hours ago ·

Robert Fleischman: No problem take care!!!!......R

727 · Post by **727** » Wed Jul 06, 2011 2:27 am

i think vinnie was trying to make a compliment to Robert but it reads like he has full control of Robert. I think he is meaning that Vinnie himself would sing but its hard to totally say for sure. Just giving the vmeister the benefit of the doubt here.

727 · Post by **727** » Wed Jul 06, 2011 2:30 am

well after reading again its clear he says Robert will be on vocals. Very strange. Robert wouldn't work with him anyway.

727 · Post by **727** » Wed Jul 06, 2011 2:41 am

this is a real big mistake regarding R.F.. It will be down before we know it
http://www.hydrolance.net/page30.htm

metatron · Post by **metatron** » Wed Jul 06, 2011 2:51 am

727 wrote:this is a real big mistake regarding R.F.. It will be down before we know it
http://www.hydrolance.net/page30.htm

For you 727,
http://www.motoart.com/
I love this stuff.

727 · Post by **727** » Wed Jul 06, 2011 2:53 am

ooooooh.

what the fuck was that?

lol

metatron · Post by **metatron** » Wed Jul 06, 2011 2:59 am

727 wrote:ooooooh.

what the fuck was that?

lol

made from plane parts.

727 · Post by **727** » Wed Jul 06, 2011 3:00 am

sick. so sick, mate.

lol

727 · Post by **727** » Wed Jul 06, 2011 3:02 am

actually very cool. thanks

VVV · Post by **VVV** » Wed Jul 06, 2011 3:03 am

From the Gibson.com site:

Vinnie Vincent to Re-Record 1988 Album
Peter Hodgson|07.05.2011

Former KISS guitarist Vinnie Vincent is planning to re-record the second Vinnie Vincent Invasion album, All Systems Go, with the band’s original singer, who was ousted in favor of future star Mark Slaughter.

The self-titled debut Vinnie Vincent Invasion album of 1986 featured one-time Journey singer Robert Fleischman on vocals, with Dana Strum on bass and Bobby Rock on drums. Released in 1988, follow-up All Systems Go featured Slaughter on vocals. After the band fell apart amid contract renegotiations with record label Chrysalis, Strum and Slaughter went on to form the multi-platinum band Slaughter, while Vincent re-teamed with KISS to co-write a few tracks from that band’s 1992 album Revenge, including lead track “Unholy.”

In a statement, Vincent said he planned to re-team with Fleischman to recapture the feel of his original demos and the first VVI album. Of All Systems Go, Vincent said: “Once the recording sessions were underway, it became painfully evident the production, sound and lead vocals were simply poor, lackluster and pale in comparison to Vinnie’s first Vinnie Vincent Invasion.”

The statement went on to say that Vincent planned to re-record All Systems Go, “the way it should have been recorded with the Vincent production, inclusive of all guitars, bass and vocals which would bring back the ferocious, over-the-top sound of the first Vinnie Vincent Invasion album, with Robert Fleishman on vocals.”

http://www.gibson.com/en-us/Lifestyle/N ... 0705-2011/

727 · Post by **727** » Wed Jul 06, 2011 3:08 am

like the avatar vvv.

send the link from gibson.com to Robert. that will be interesting.

Brooklyn_Born · Post by **Brooklyn_Born** » Wed Jul 06, 2011 4:33 am

Does Robert still have the vocal chops to record ASG??

MeteoraXV · Post by **MeteoraXV** » Wed Jul 06, 2011 7:01 am

so now it does say rerecord with fleischman

VVV · Post by **VVV** » Wed Jul 06, 2011 1:38 pm

727 wrote:like the avatar vvv.

send the link from gibson.com to Robert. that will be interesting.

Thanks, I can' believe I've had it for over 10 years now (the guitar, not the avatar)

shramiac · Post by **shramiac** » Wed Jul 06, 2011 5:36 pm

VVV wrote:
727 wrote:like the avatar vvv.

send the link from gibson.com to Robert. that will be interesting.
Thanks, I can' believe I've had it for over 10 years now (the guitar, not the avatar)

Bastard!

Post by **Genebaby** » Wed Jul 06, 2011 6:46 pm

Drew, it's now a condition of VVFF membership that members surrender their Jackson VVV guitars to your Lord the Administrator!

727 · Post by **727** » Thu Jul 07, 2011 7:13 am

I am hearing that Mark Slaughter is pissed about the comments from VV's youtube and Gibson.com .

I think court case could arise from what I hear. Does anyone speak with Mark to confirm the rumors?

Post by **Genebaby** » Thu Jul 07, 2011 10:16 am

I think we would all love to hear more about this. Vinnie is so clumsy, he's stepping on a lot of toes.

VVV · Post by **VVV** » Thu Jul 07, 2011 11:55 am

Genebaby wrote:Drew, it's now a condition of VVFF membership that members surrender their Jackson VVV guitars to your Lord the Administrator!

Um, I've got some pink VVV earrings I can let go

Post by **Genebaby** » Thu Jul 07, 2011 12:14 pm

That is a start for your tithing.

727 · Post by **727** » Thu Jul 07, 2011 6:33 pm

He pissed off both vvi singers in one go. Could you imagine if slaughter said vinnies guitar playing was awful in an official statement.. wouldn't mark get sued?

metatron · Post by **metatron** » Thu Jul 07, 2011 6:52 pm

Vinnie is really not making any friends...He wants to make it hard for himself.

erg2 · Post by **erg2** » Thu Jul 07, 2011 9:47 pm

metatron wrote:Vinnie is really not making any friends...He wants to make it hard for himself.

I I was checking out Slaughter's FB page too....to see if he was going to post something about VV's comments.
Nothing.
I would say he's a "class act", but after hearing the first half of The Decible Geek's podcast it sounds like he is no angel himself...

727 · Post by **727** » Thu Jul 07, 2011 10:04 pm

Mark is cool. I would day Dana has a checkered past however. Mark was a kid.

727 · Post by **727** » Thu Jul 07, 2011 10:06 pm

Someone should say to mark Robert would not do it and has never spoken to him, so he knows its not a competiton thing

727 · Post by **727** » Thu Jul 07, 2011 10:23 pm

Funny that vinnie thinks he should own Wikipedia pages and would want mark to be insulted on it.

reneroxx · Post by **reneroxx** » Fri Jul 08, 2011 12:16 am

mm i dont know what say,i really like the work of robert fleischman,here is my reason
1.-Robert for me in that times he never have a image for a glam crazy band,everybody knows robert was a voice and he still is.
2.-Mark was that frontman pretty like brett michaels so he was and have a diferent kind of voice that was the unic point,so the first record was with a unic voice the voice of robert and was unic;mark voice leaves a flavor on the the all systems go.
3.-In my opinion how you can change that magic of the records they are diferents you list and you you know the diferent character of mark to robert.
4.-So is just like you take the magic away changing the real singer of the two records.
BUT IF THIS IS JUST A PLAN AND IS NOT GOING TO BE MAKE IT I AM GLAD,IF THIS REALLY GOING TO HAPPEND I AM SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH AND IM ON SHOOK BECAUSE VINNIE KICK MY ASS WHEN HE WAS WITH MARK SO MARK IS MY FAVORITE SINGER.

727 · Post by **727** » Fri Jul 08, 2011 1:07 am

It won't happen. Even with vinnie singing

reneroxx · Post by **reneroxx** » Fri Jul 08, 2011 1:55 am

erg2 · Post by **erg2** » Fri Jul 08, 2011 2:12 am

727 wrote:It won't happen. Even with vinnie singing

I know everyone keeps saying that Vinnie has a great voice, I just can't agree. Maybe it's just not to my taste.
He's great as a back-up, but I'll pass on an album with him singing lead. (OK...I'll buy it and listen to it, but I won't be happy about it...)

metatron · Post by **metatron** » Fri Jul 08, 2011 2:51 am

erg2 wrote:(OK...I'll buy it and listen to it, but I won't be happy about it...)

That pretty much says it for all of us. After all this we would shill purchase his stuff.

727 · Post by **727** » Fri Jul 08, 2011 3:00 am

Face it. We heard that albun. We heard most of gfh. Is he just going to put out different versions of stuff we heard. Why can't he make new music? Has he answered that? It's like the painter who keeps painting over his painting is going to ruin it and he won't make another one.
Vinnie has to move on. He lives in the past. He is a prisoner of his past. Shed it and just make new stuff and
Forget your old fights. That would be the only way forward. The past is your enemy unless you can learn from it.

metatron · Post by **metatron** » Fri Jul 08, 2011 3:15 am

727 wrote:Face it. We heard that albun. We heard most of gfh. Is he just going to put out different versions of stuff we heard. Why can't he make new music? Has he answered that? It's like the painter who keeps painting over his painting is going to ruin it and he won't make another one.
Vinnie has to move on. He lives in the past. He is a prisoner of his past. Shed it and just make new stuff and
Forget your old fights. That would be the only way forward. The past is your enemy unless you can learn from it.

He is the dog that chasing his own tail or cars. If he ever caught one, he wouldn't know what to do with it. Vinnie is the Joke-r.
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erg2 · Post by **erg2** » Fri Jul 08, 2011 3:24 am

metatron wrote: That pretty much says it for all of us. After all this we would shill purchase his stuff.

I wish I were stronger and could ignore it, but I am powerless against KISS related releases. I just can't stop myself.

Post by **Genebaby** » Fri Jul 08, 2011 1:48 pm

erg2 wrote:
metatron wrote: That pretty much says it for all of us. After all this we would shill purchase his stuff.
I wish I were stronger and could ignore it, but I am powerless against KISS related releases. I just can't stop myself.

Did you buy Peter Criss' last terrible solo album? I did!!

But it was cheap and signed. That's my excuse anyway.

shramiac · Post by **shramiac** » Fri Jul 08, 2011 5:57 pm

Genebaby wrote:Did you buy Peter Criss' last terrible solo album? I did!!

Cat 1???

I repeat!

TheGoodDr · Post by **TheGoodDr** » Fri Jul 08, 2011 6:14 pm

My god, that Cat #1 album is just awful. I can't understand how anyone could have sat and listened to that album during the recording sessions and said to Peter, "Hey man, this is some great stuff!"

727 · Post by **727** » Fri Jul 08, 2011 8:08 pm

No one standing up to him maybe.

erg2 · Post by **erg2** » Fri Jul 08, 2011 10:05 pm

TheGoodDr wrote:My god, that Cat #1 album is just awful. I can't understand how anyone could have sat and listened to that album during the recording sessions and said to Peter, "Hey man, this is some great stuff!"

I did buy Cat #1:
It's not terrible, but it's certainly not great. The best songs are those that are clearly not written by Peter. The production/mix is pretty muddy.

I did buy One For All:
This is a truly terrible album. Poorly written songs. Terrible compositions. And though some may deny it, Peter is singing flat on most of every song!

Post by **Genebaby** » Fri Jul 08, 2011 10:13 pm

I did buy Cat #1 when it came out but have no memory of listening to it.

One For All is the one I'm thinking of. I got it cheap and singed and it's really, really bad. And this is coming from a guy that likes his '78 Solo album and also Out Of Control. Dirty Livin' is a great song too.

TheGoodDr · Post by **TheGoodDr** » Fri Jul 08, 2011 10:36 pm

Dirty Livin' granted, is a great song. Peter Criss on the other ain't a great song writer.

727 · Post by **727** » Fri Jul 08, 2011 10:38 pm

no one likes it but i kind of like the tune out of control. most is low quality

Post by **Genebaby** » Fri Jul 08, 2011 11:30 pm

I don't mind that whole album. I discovered it in the 90's. Even in Australia which was Kiss mad in 1980 and loved Unmasked and Dynasty I have never heard that album before I saw it in a second hand record store.

I checked it a few times to see if it was the Peter Criss from Kiss. Being on Casablanca and having Aucion on there made me figure it was legit so I bought it. It's not too bad. It's no Lick It Up, but it's not meant to be.

Of course now Peter tells us how much drugs he was on when he made it, ha ha.

erg2 · Post by **erg2** » Sat Jul 09, 2011 12:24 am

I have Peter's first 2 solo albums after he left KISS; Out Of Control and Let Me Rock You.

The problem with both of these records is that Peter clearly didn't have a style/direction/vision that he was artistically driving for. They both come off passionless and disjointed. The second album has better production, but it's still all over the place.

I respect the "One For All" album in that he had a vision and he went for it. The problem is that he needed a real producer to help work out the arrangements and make sure he was singing in pitch!! There was potential with what he was trying, but he doesn't have the skills to pull it off by himself.

MeteoraXV · Post by **MeteoraXV** » Sat Jul 09, 2011 2:26 am

I tried One for All and couldnt get past the first half of it...sorry
Nothin really memorable
Production kinda sucks
Too many quiet songs
Criss' voice isnt really worth listening too sorry sorry
Than again I didnt listen to the second half

Hire a singer Criss
Its R&B I think? I'll listen to Deniece Williams thank you