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Postby AceAlive1 » Mon Feb 24, 2014 10:52 am

i've been seeing and reading interviews for awhile now...hearing stories etc etc......


can anyone shed any light on what in fact happened?


mark on numerous times told a different story but so did everyone else involved with kiss.


i just want to know what the hell happened

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Postby shramiac » Mon Feb 24, 2014 11:04 am

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Bruce said he saw the swelling, so I guess it was true! Think in their eyes and ears they found a better fit with Bruce too.......
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Postby AceAlive1 » Mon Feb 24, 2014 11:16 am

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Bruce said he saw the swelling, so I guess it was true! Think in their eyes and ears they found a better fit with Bruce too.......

bruce is GREAT on the axe but he couldnt play mark's material for shit.

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Postby Slayer » Mon Feb 24, 2014 11:29 am

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Bruce said he saw the swelling, so I guess it was true! Think in their eyes and ears they found a better fit with Bruce too.......

bruce is GREAT on the axe but he couldnt play mark's material for shit.

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Postby doublev2 » Tue Feb 25, 2014 11:54 am

There is a picture of his swollen hand.

Off topic but never saw this

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Postby PinkWiz » Tue Feb 25, 2014 3:02 pm

Mark looks like he was gonna audition for Stryper in that pic... :D

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Postby doublev2 » Tue Feb 25, 2014 6:23 pm

I really like the rampage so basic and slightly wrong. My kind of thing.
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Postby doublev2 » Tue Feb 25, 2014 6:34 pm

Anyone know the brand of cabs in the St John add?
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Postby shramiac » Tue Feb 25, 2014 6:57 pm

Left index finger looks biggish! He did have big hands to start with anyway!
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Postby doublev2 » Tue Feb 25, 2014 10:33 pm

Sausage fingers are good or bad for speed? :D
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Postby doublev2 » Tue Feb 25, 2014 10:34 pm

Now any shot of mark his hands look swollen. I think it's psychological issue on my part... damn it now my fingers are swelling up. .
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Postby doublev2 » Tue Feb 25, 2014 10:41 pm

Worst St John look . My guess is mark touched his hair and fingers swelled right up

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Postby doublev2 » Tue Feb 25, 2014 10:44 pm

With wayne charvel when he was hired to charvelize Gibson. I know mark had one wayne charvel post charvel charvel Gibson charvel... charvel charvel.
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Postby doublev2 » Tue Feb 25, 2014 10:48 pm

I believe mark was always or mostly in a wig. We all figured out he had V's lock it up cover wig .

here is another look for westone
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Postby doublev2 » Tue Feb 25, 2014 10:49 pm

Anyone know who the guitar player with mark and Wayne is?
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Postby shramiac » Wed Feb 26, 2014 12:34 am

MAB!!! :shock:

Sheesh Dino! Wot choo bin smokin??? :P

Mark ain't pretty in that ad with MAB and Wayne,no! Looks like his hair was from The Golden Girls!
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Postby doublev2 » Wed Feb 26, 2014 1:57 am

Off topic but marks drummer is good https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRai4GIXoJE&
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Postby Genebaby » Wed Feb 26, 2014 6:34 am

Sausage fingers are good or bad for speed? :D
I don't think it makes a difference. A guy here has short, stubby fingers and can shred like crazy
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Postby shramiac » Wed Feb 26, 2014 10:25 am

Why thank you Vic..........oh! You mean in Canberra don't you? :P :D
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Postby AceAlive1 » Wed Feb 26, 2014 1:23 pm

oh cmon guys. i didnt start this to bash mark. lighten up.

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Postby poserboy71 » Wed Feb 26, 2014 1:48 pm

oh cmon guys. i didnt start this to bash mark. lighten up.
AA,
Lighten up a bit. I notice you felt the guys were being rough in the RNRHOF thread as well.
Mark had swollen hands, Jiffy pop hair,played super speedy guitar licks, and a drug problem.FACT
Sounds like why a lot of us loved the 1980's !!!! :P :P :P :P
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Postby AceAlive1 » Wed Feb 26, 2014 3:25 pm

oh cmon guys. i didnt start this to bash mark. lighten up.
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Lighten up a bit. I notice you felt the guys were being rough in the RNRHOF thread as well.
Mark had swollen hands, Jiffy pop hair,played super speedy guitar licks, and a drug problem.FACT
Sounds like why a lot of us loved the 1980's !!!! :P :P :P :P

while mark may not have been in kiss long, his material has not been properly played by anyone since he left.


the notes are right,yes. but the tone and sound is terrible.


even bruce couldnt replicate his stuff and bruce is GREAT. and bruce even did some filler work on animalize too!


im the only one not being rough in the RNR hall thread. i called it like it REALLY is and didnt put blame. you should know the rock hall yuppies would put stipulations on kiss

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Postby thattimeofyear87 » Wed Feb 26, 2014 3:59 pm


while mark may not have been in kiss long, his material has not been properly played by anyone since he left.
Agreed. Recently, I was listening to some of Bruce's early live recordings with the band and frankly he struggled with "I've Had Enough." (That said, Mark's solo is not easy to play and the song is at a pretty brisk tempo.) And even a song like "Under The Gun," Bruce simplified it to fit his style. Bruce is a great guy and a super player but, chops-wise, he never was in Vinnie or Mark's class.

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Postby shramiac » Wed Feb 26, 2014 5:02 pm

I've Had Enough is that hard technically as it's very scalar in it's construction BUT....... it's played at a very fast tempo, thus making it hard to play correctly! First few bars of the solo are double tracked too giving a bigger sound.

Speaking of sausage fingers, maybe I should sell all my "shred" gitboxes and buy a tele or 25???? :P :D

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Postby Genebaby » Wed Feb 26, 2014 5:46 pm

Youtube links aren't working properly lately either Vic???
I've fixed it for you. They do work but YouTube keep changing certain things that the web version doesn't like.

Tapatalk handles them all fine though, I can't see why the devs can't get the web software to understand the links better.

Basically you can always adjust the link to work, but not mobile links, you need to search for it and get the regular link and adjust as necessary.
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Postby doublev2 » Wed Feb 26, 2014 6:55 pm

Not bashing mark. Come on he would find that hair funny too.

love mark such a fluid player. I am pleased to have seen those old ads and hanging with charvel and mab.

If mark had a top producer on white tiger and recorded better i think there would have been potential. Also very cool down to earth guy.
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Postby AceAlive1 » Thu Feb 27, 2014 7:58 am


while mark may not have been in kiss long, his material has not been properly played by anyone since he left.
Agreed. Recently, I was listening to some of Bruce's early live recordings with the band and frankly he struggled with "I've Had Enough." (That said, Mark's solo is not easy to play and the song is at a pretty brisk tempo.) And even a song like "Under The Gun," Bruce simplified it to fit his style. Bruce is a great guy and a super player but, chops-wise, he never was in Vinnie or Mark's class.

i was trying to stay away from that kind of reply or comment because seemingly not alot of kiss guitar players can play other members material. and it wouldnt be right to say "hey this guy isnt as good as this dude over here"

cuz mark probably couldnt play war machine either but we'll never know.


i heard tommy play three times and i know for a fact if he used a different guitar on some of the 80's stuff (not sure if that's gene and paul's doing or what) he'd sound better. not that he sounds bad, i think the guy rocks, but only so much you can do with a les paul guitar. even if your name is randy rhoads.



now on to bruce, his guitar work is great but my god did he have some hard work ahead of him. first vinnie, then mark.

now "who wants to be lonely" i have no doubt theres no one else besides tommy thayer that could play the solo like bruce. thats one of the most intricate non filler solos i've ever heard.


maybe its kiss' fault. who knows, maybe they made him use different amps etc etc as to not upstage gene and paul with his sound.



and now vinnie....... this guy had all the chops in the world........damn straight.


if randy rhoads had passed on a little bit later, im VERY sure vinnie was more than capable of replicating the sound and notes of that talented man which ozzy hasnt found yet from any guitar player he's had. (closest was joe holmes)

i wish someone had floated vinnie's name to ozzy. maybe things woulda been different for him these days.

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Postby shramiac » Thu Feb 27, 2014 10:03 am

Nice scenario but I honestly think an Ozzy - Vinnie team up would be more volatile then the almost happened Dio - Malmsteen team up!
Considering Vinnie WOULD have written EVERYTHING in that team up nad then have to deal with Ozzy and his troll claiming they did it all.......................noooooooooooooooo thanks! (Could have been some interesting material though)
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Postby ankh » Thu Feb 27, 2014 10:39 am

As far as i know,Mark auditioned for Ozzy, Dio and Yes.

Wish his solo efforts-i'm not referring to White tiger- could have been better mixed and produced.You can hear many interesting layers of parts, but the production didn't made them justice.Also, i would have liekd to hear more off him as player, some of the songs were geared towards shredders stuff and ,according to many sources, Mark's playng ability was much broader than that.

Apparently, what did happen to him in jail had consequences on his health later on
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i wish someone had floated vinnie's name to ozzy. maybe things woulda been different for him these days.
Richie Kotzen once had the gig in Ozzy's band (around the time Steve Vai was writing with Ozzy).
Here is a link where Richie talks about alot of things IN DEPTH. Great listen.
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Jake was asked back into the Ozzy band in the early 2000s.

I'm sure that Vinnie Vincent was , at the very least, a name that was batted around more than once in the Ozzy camp.
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Postby AceAlive1 » Thu Feb 27, 2014 10:49 am

Nice scenario but I honestly think an Ozzy - Vinnie team up would be more volatile then the almost happened Dio - Malmsteen team up!
Considering Vinnie WOULD have written EVERYTHING in that team up nad then have to deal with Ozzy and his troll claiming they did it all.......................noooooooooooooooo thanks! (Could have been some interesting material though)

well it would have played out the same way then just with a different axe man since sharon was a hound for having all things in ozzy's name. i've been told and im very sure it's true that ALL music and lyrics were recorded for each album up until jake e lee was fired WITHOUT ozzy being present for probably very obvious reasons.

yet ozzy gets sole credit for writing full albums.

imagine that though. vinnie gets canned and then shows up at the US festival instead of jake :shock: :shock:


KISS would have shit themselves.


As far as i know,Mark auditioned for Ozzy, Dio and Yes.

Wish his solo efforts-i'm not referring to White tiger- could have been better mixed and produced.You can hear many interesting layers of parts, but the production didn't made them justice.Also, i would have liekd to hear more off him as player, some of the songs were geared towards shredders stuff and ,according to many sources, Mark's playng ability was much broader than that.

Apparently, what did happen to him in jail had consequences on his health later on

damn, yet another thing i missed out on because i was an infant. what happened to him in jail and why did he get locked up?

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Postby doublev2 » Thu Feb 27, 2014 12:43 pm

Funny i just can not imagine vv playing with ozzy. I can easily imagine vv in whitesnake wasp and dio though
also can not imagine vv with dlr.
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Postby poserboy71 » Thu Feb 27, 2014 12:52 pm

Funny i just can not imagine vv playing with ozzy. I can easily imagine vv in whitesnake wasp and dio though
also can not imagine vv with dlr.
We have discussed how perfect Vinnie would've been in Whitesnake.

Remember, VV recommended Greg Bissonette for the gig in 1986.
Vinnie would have been great with Dave. He would've been Dave's most versatile guitarist that was able to play all of the different music DLR was into.
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Postby shramiac » Thu Feb 27, 2014 1:03 pm

yet ozzy gets sole credit for writing full albums.
Yes he wrote Bark at the Moon awe bi his widdle self with one finger on a piano! :shock: :shock: :shock:

My left nut he did! :x

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damn, yet another thing i missed out on because i was an infant. what happened to him in jail and why did he get locked up?

Mark was busted for drugs and spent a couple weeks in jail where a bunch of inmates ganged up on him and beat him up for stealing another inmates food. His sister blames the beatings on his death even though it was ruled a meth overdose.

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from a newspaper website:

"Although the Orange County Sheriff's Department insists it and the FBI are jointly investigating a mysterious September 2006 beating inside Theo Lacy jail, there is no evidence that either agency has conducted a single interview to get to the bottom of the alleged assault. The beating, sources say, involved numerous inmates attacking ex-Kiss guitarist Mark Leslie Norton for at least half an hour in full view of a guard tower. It took place inside F-West, the same dormitory where, just days later, inmates allegedly murdered John Chamberlain, a Mission Viejo man awaiting trial on charges of possessing child pornography.

As the Weekly has reported (See "Theo Lacy Unmasked," April 17, and "Smashes, Thrashes & Hits," June 19), Norton, a longtime drug addict who died in April 2007 of a brain hemorrhage, spent two weeks at Theo Lacy after being arrested for possession of drug paraphernalia and attempted destruction of evidence. Jail records show Norton reportedly told deputies he had stolen crackers from another inmate and wished to be moved to another area of the jail out of fear for his safety. Those records mention nothing about what happened next. Jared Petrovich, a leader or "shot-caller" for the "Woods"—jail slang for the white-inmate gang—one of nine inmates charged with murdering Chamberlain, claims that Norton was severely beaten shortly after being moved to F-West. Petrovich's predecessor, a shot-caller who asked not to be identified by name but whose Woods moniker is "Sick Dog," confirms this account.
Both Petrovich and Sick Dog claim that Deputy Kevin Taylor, the same guard who allegedly "outed" Chamberlain as a sex offender, personally approved of the beating and rewarded inmates who attacked Norton with sack lunches afterward. The Weekly first exposed the beating two months ago; Norton's family then contacted the DA's office, which forwarded their complaint to the sheriff's department and the FBI. Yet neither Sick Dog, who described the beating in a letter to the Weekly from his federal prison cell, nor Petrovich, who is still incarcerated at Theo Lacy, appears to have received so much as a phone call from any law-enforcement agency.

The list of witnesses who aren't being interviewed is now growing. Another former inmate who asked not to be identified by name, but whom the Weekly has confirmed was housed at F-West when both the Norton and Chamberlain assaults took place, says he personally witnessed the attack on Norton.

The ex-inmate, a white businessman serving time for repeated drunk-driving offenses, claims Norton knew he was going to be worked over immediately upon being transferred to F-West because Sick Dog, who led the Woods gang inside the dormitory, had previously been Norton's drug dealer.

"The Kiss guy [Norton] told me that he knew he was going to get beat up," the ex-inmate says. "He told me he's been a doper forever and he bought from [Sick Dog] and was fearful. He knew what was going to happen: 'I know I'm gonna get beat up; I know I'm gonna be hit.' I said, 'Don't fight back and maybe they will have some leniency.'" The inmate adds that Sick Dog also told him that Norton was going to be assaulted. "[Sick Dog] told me the Kiss guy bought drugs from him for four, five, six years," the inmate says. "He said he recognized him right away and despised him because he ratted on him. He got permission from Taylor to beat him up."

In his letter to the Weekly, Sick Dog told a different story, claiming that Taylor told him Norton had stolen property from another inmate and deserved to be assaulted, rewarding him with sack lunches after he arranged the beating. Sick Dog did not mention if he was personally involved in the attack, but according to the inmate who says he witnessed the attack, Sick Dog did most of the punching, although three other inmates later charged with murdering Chamberlain—Christopher Teague, Garret Aguilar and Raul Villafana—also participated. "[Sick Dog] is the one that started beating him up," the inmate claims. "He's a big guy, a mean guy with a tattoo on his head, and these kids idolized him and tried to duplicate what he did. Teams of three came in and worked him over right in front of the guard station. He puked; he spit up blood. . . . He wouldn't yell out, but when he moaned, 'Oh, no,' they'd just hit him harder. Most of the blows were to the rib area, the heart and the stomach, just a few to the face."

After the assault, the inmate says, he tried to comfort Norton, congratulating him for not screaming. "He was horrifically beat up," he says. "He didn't move for at least five or six days. He didn't ask to go see a doctor. He didn't move from his bunk for a week. I gave him a cup to urinate in because he couldn't get up to go to the bathroom."

Apparently, Norton's composure during the attack also impressed Sick Dog. "He came back the next day and brought him a sack lunch and asked if he was going to be okay, like it was over," the inmate says.
The notion that Norton had been moved to F-West on his own request because he'd stolen crackers, the inmate insists, doesn't ring true. He's certain Sick Dog discovered Norton was inside Theo Lacy and convinced Taylor to arrange for his transfer inside the facility. He also doesn't believe the sheriff's department or any other agency has any interest in investigating the assault. "These cops are not investigating," he says. "The first thing you do is interview the people who are in the same room when it happened. They say they're investigating? That's a crock of shit."

Sheriff's department probing alleged jail beating of former Kiss guitarist


On April 9, after a nine-month grand-jury investigation into the gruesome murder of John Chamberlain, an inmate awaiting trial for possession of child pornography at Theo Lacy Jail in Orange, acting Orange County Sheriff Jack Anderson suspended five deputies at the jail and invited the FBI to investigate whether inmates' civil rights had been violated.

Two months later, Anderson is on his way out the door—soon to be replaced by Sandra Hutchens, Orange County's first female sheriff—and it's unclear how far that investigation has gone. Two of the suspended deputies told grand jurors that Kevin Taylor—the guard who allegedly outed Chamberlain as a "child molester" to the nine inmates currently facing murder charges in the fatal October 2006 beating—had routinely allowed inmates to be assaulted for violating jailhouse rules.


Gold Album Days: Mark Leslie Norton circa mid-'80s

Gold Album Days: Mark Leslie Norton circa mid-'80s


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Both Susan Kang Schroeder, a spokeswoman for District Attorney Tony Rackauckas, and John McDonald, a sheriff's department spokesman, confirm that at least one case is being actively investigated: that of former Kiss guitarist Mark Leslie Norton, who served two weeks at the jail in September 2006 for possession of drug paraphernalia and attempted destruction of evidence. Norton died of what the Orange County coroner ruled was a drug-related brain hemorrhage in April 2007.

Better known by his stage name, Mark St. John, Norton was housed in Theo Lacy a few weeks before Chamberlain's murder. As the Weekly previously reported (see "Theo Lacy Unmasked," April 7), jail records show that Norton told guards he'd stolen crackers from another inmate and was "in fear for his safety" before being moved to another location inside the jail. Although the files don't mention Norton ever being assaulted or seeking medical treatment, Jared Petrovich, a shot-caller for white inmates (who are known as "Woods") now facing trial in Chamberlain's murder, told the Weekly he and another inmate informed Taylor they were going to arrange to have Norton assaulted for the theft and that Taylor approved of their plan—offering them sack lunches in return for carrying it out.

"He [Norton] got beat up pretty bad," Petrovich claimed in that story.

The other inmate Petrovich was referring to, a Woods shot-caller who preceded Petrovich in that role and left Theo Lacy shortly before Chamberlain's murder, is now in federal custody. In a letter to the Weekly, he asked not to be identified by name but confirmed Petrovich's story about St. John.

"Kevin Taylor told me personally that St. John was caught steeling [sic] from another inmate in D barracks and needed his ass kicked," the inmate wrote. "So just so we are clear, a theif [sic] is a 'house' [i.e., inmate] issue, so everybody gets to take a shot, so over the next couple of hours, wave after wave of inmates beat that dude while Deputy Taylor sat in the bubble. Whether he watched or not, I don't know. But he sure as hell knew what was happening. . . . After Mark St. John was beaten, we were rewarded with a whole milk crate of sack lunches."

Three additional sources—two friends and one relative of Norton's—confirm that Norton was indeed attacked while behind bars but offer a different explanation for why it happened.

One of those sources, a family member speaking on behalf of Norton's parents, refused to comment for this story except to confirm that Norton had been assaulted at Theo Lacy and that the family had retained a lawyer who had contacted the DA's office. "We referred it to the sheriff's department, and my understanding is they referred it to the FBI," Schroeder says.

"We received the information from the DA's office, and it's actively under investigation by the department," McDonald confirms.

Another source, Norton's ex-girlfriend, who asked to remain anonymous, also confirms Norton had been badly beaten, adding that she believes the incident was responsible for his untimely death several months later.

"I . . . will testify under oath to the fact that he was severely beaten at Theo Lacy," she said in an e-mail. "I personally went to the facility a few days before he was beaten to visit him, and he told me that he feared for his life. I didn't take it serious[ly] until the day he was released and I went to visit him and was heartbroken to see him beaten to the point that I didn't recognize him."

While Norton was still behind bars, but before the assault, the woman claims, Norton told her he had "snitched" on a drug dealer several years earlier, and that if his identity as a snitch became known inside the jail, he was certain to be attacked. "He had a friend there who heard deputies saying he was a snitch," she said in an interview. Norton told her he'd been attacked by as many as 20 inmates, who stabbed him with pencils and beat him. "He was never the same, even after he healed on the outside," she wrote in the e-mail. "He was hurting on the inside. He often had severe headaches and body aches and many times said it was due to the beating. I wanted him to see a doctor on many occasions, but he had no medical insurance."
The woman claims that despite the coroner's official ruling of his death as a brain hemorrhage due to a drug overdose, she was with him the night before he died and he wasn't taking drugs. She is convinced the bleeding was caused by his assault at the jail several months earlier. "He did not die from an accidental overdose," she wrote. "I was the last person to see him alive."

Another friend of Norton's who asked to remain anonymous confirms that Norton had snitched on a drug dealer several years ago after being arrested for possession of methamphetamine. He claims that the arresting officer was a Garden Grove cop who happened to be a former high-school classmate of Norton's. "He had been busted once, and then got caught again, and he rolled over on some guy," the friend claims. "Everybody knew he rolled on somebody. His name went around the jail: Mark Norton; if he ends up here, he's going to get his ass kicked."

According to the source, Norton never talked about his experience behind bars but seemed to be "on autopilot" after his release, clearly lost in his drug addiction. "He would invite anybody but a cop in uniform to party at his house," the friend says. "He sold all his outfits, everything but the gold record. At the end, he was mowing lawns, doing roofing. He was so desperate for dope."
Based on Petrovich's claim, I dug up jail records that showed Mark Leslie Norton, a former Kiss guitarist and meth addict, had been transferred from one area of Theo Lacy to F-West barracks just a month before Chamberlain was killed. In a letter from state prison, Sick Dog told me that Taylor had informed him of Norton's thievery in the other area of the jail and promised him extra sack lunches if he saw to it that the prisoner was punished once he reached F-West. Several inmates who witnessed the attack told me Norton was beaten so badly he couldn't leave his cell for more than a day, yet he was never given any medical attention. He died of a brain hemorrhage several months after he left jail, in April 2007.
According to the Orange County Coroner, the cause of death was a brain hemorrhage bought on by an accidental overdose of methamphetamines on April 5, 2007. The Weekly's attempts to reach Norton's family for comment were unsuccessful.
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Postby AceAlive1 » Fri Feb 28, 2014 7:27 am



damn, yet another thing i missed out on because i was an infant. what happened to him in jail and why did he get locked up?

Mark was busted for drugs and spent a couple weeks in jail where a bunch of inmates ganged up on him and beat him up for stealing another inmates food. His sister blames the beatings on his death even though it was ruled a meth overdose.

a cerebral hemmorhage is nothing to take lightly, you could get hit in the head today and die from it a decade later.

remember its part of the brain and it can be severely damaged just like when someone gets a concussion.


the only thing i can think of is the beating might have changed him and he gave up so he started doing meth again.

some people dont take being jumped in prison well.

thanks for letting me know it was meth, i was wondering what happened to his face. i know next to nothing about st john


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Funny i just can not imagine vv playing with ozzy. I can easily imagine vv in whitesnake wasp and dio though
also can not imagine vv with dlr.

his tone was perfect for ozzy's band. literally all he would have had to do was play the stuff exactly like randy. when i watch the rio shows i can hear him play and just know he was capable of playing rhoads' stuff. and back then only one other living person was capable of that and it was brad gillis. and brad could have done so much more if he got some axes like randy. that fender wasnt doin much

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Postby doublev2 » Fri Feb 28, 2014 8:41 am

Yeah but ozzy and vv working together I could not imagine at all. Chalk and cheese.
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Postby doublev2 » Fri Feb 28, 2014 8:42 am

To me vv is most suited to the zeppelin style . I suppose ozzy has zeppelin moments but to me whitesnake would have been a match for vv.
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Postby doublev2 » Fri Feb 28, 2014 8:45 am

Something very small similarirties in playing that i hear in skykes and vv. Or maybe not.
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Postby poserboy71 » Fri Feb 28, 2014 10:13 am

VV is a master and could adapt and own any situation. :D
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Re: mark st john hand ailment

Postby PinkWiz » Fri Feb 28, 2014 10:34 am

Yes, I could definitely hear Coverdale singing Back On The Streets or Vinnie playing on Is This Love... they even have similar singing voices.

But rest assured, they would HATE each other today if VV would've been in Whitesnake back in the day.

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Postby doublev2 » Fri Feb 28, 2014 6:14 pm

Yes would hate each other . Can imagine ashes to Ashes with coverdale as well
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Re: mark st john hand ailment

Postby KissMyAss » Sat Mar 01, 2014 6:27 am

There is a picture of his swollen hand.

Off topic but never saw this

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This is heartbreaking.
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Re: mark st john hand ailment

Postby doublev2 » Sat Mar 01, 2014 10:53 am

what the guitar ad is heartbreaking???
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Re: mark st john hand ailment

Postby PinkWiz » Sat Mar 01, 2014 11:38 am

Yeah what's heartbreaking? The ad? Looking like he's in Stryper? The wig? Playing with Hasselhoff? What?!

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Re: mark st john hand ailment

Postby AceAlive1 » Sun Mar 02, 2014 10:36 am

Yeah but ozzy and vv working together I could not imagine at all. Chalk and cheese.
you obviously have never heard of don costa who ozzy hired after the speak of the devil lineup split


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