Monster - The Album

Post by **Genebaby** » Mon May 21, 2012 2:42 pm

It's getting closer and Dave Snake Sabo has heard it and says it's really, really good. Something llike that. He liked it a lot anyways.

Iceman75 · Post by **Iceman75** » Mon May 21, 2012 8:23 pm

I will buy it at Walmart.

doublev2 · Post by **doublev2** » Mon May 21, 2012 10:21 pm

damn i thought maybe Safeways had the exclusive.

doublev2 · Post by **doublev2** » Mon May 21, 2012 10:43 pm

i can not imagine with the line up they have it being an amazing record. If they said Lynch, Friedman or some killer guitar player was involved then I may get excited, but who knows.

Post by **Genebaby** » Mon May 21, 2012 10:47 pm

I am excited for now. When I hear it I'll see what I think against their other stuff.

My hopes are high though.

doublev2 · Post by **doublev2** » Mon May 21, 2012 11:02 pm

yeah. it could be good. I would like to have seen some outside writers to give me hope but who knows. I didnt by the walmart album.

erg2 · Post by **erg2** » Tue May 22, 2012 12:37 am

I like Sonic Boom. It's far from my favorite KISS album, but they finally got away from trying to be BON JOVI or whoever else was hot at the moment and focused on being themselves musically. I like the production of it.

Modern Day Delilah was a good rock song. Say Yeah at a different time could've been a hit. It lacked a real heavy, barnburner song though. Maybe they will correct that with MONSTER?

1031 · Post by **1031** » Tue May 22, 2012 2:33 am

I would think this would be an all in effort Gene is almost 64 Paul is 60 this may be the last Kiss album maybe one more if it comes in the next three years. But it was 11 years before sonic boom.

erg2 · Post by **erg2** » Tue May 22, 2012 5:26 am

1031 wrote:I would think this would be an all in effort Gene is almost 64 Paul is 60 this may be the last Kiss album maybe one more if it comes in the next three years.

I was thinking the same thing. They have stated that "THE TOUR" is going to be worldwide and will last up to 2 years. (I didn't think they did that kind of run anymore.) Gene will be 66 years old. Will he be up to another album and another tour? If he is, I REALLY hope it's his last. I love KISS but with each tour Gene's costume becomes more and more padded to hide the fact that he's getting old, bald and chunky. It's turning the original cool concept into something increasingly cheesier each year.

doublev2 · Post by **doublev2** » Tue May 22, 2012 6:00 am

Yeah, health my not hold up to do another one.

jesternjeff · Post by **jesternjeff** » Tue May 22, 2012 7:13 am

erg2 wrote:I like Sonic Boom. It's far from my favorite KISS album, but they finally got away from trying to be BON JOVI or whoever else was hot at the moment and focused on being themselves musically. I like the production of it.

Modern Day Delilah was a good rock song. Say Yeah at a different time could've been a hit. It lacked a real heavy, barnburner song though. Maybe they will correct that with MONSTER?

I agree, on that same note Im hoping its Gene's songs that can stand a little forward on Monster. His songs on SB were simply o.k, they were missing something I cant quit explain . Paul's songs on SB were more solid to the sound that is KISS. If MONSTER is as thunderis as they " hype " it to be then, Im sure Gene will have a good one ( or 2 on it ! ) Part of the problem for me is KISS have been hyping there stuff from day one and say the same thing every time, " This is if not better then Destroyer .... bla bla bla." NO Paul & Gene Hot In The Shade SUKED ASS PERIOD !!!

poserboy71 · Post by **poserboy71** » Tue May 22, 2012 7:59 am

jesternjeff wrote:
erg2 wrote:...Im hoping its Gene's songs that can stand a little forward on Monster. His songs on SB were simply o.k, they were missing something I cant quit explain . Paul's songs on SB were more solid to the sound that is KISS.

In my opinion, you got this backwards.

jesternjeff · Post by **jesternjeff** » Tue May 22, 2012 8:03 am

poserboy71 wrote:
jesternjeff wrote:
erg2 wrote:...Im hoping its Gene's songs that can stand a little forward on Monster. His songs on SB were simply o.k, they were missing something I cant quit explain . Paul's songs on SB were more solid to the sound that is KISS.
In my opinion, you got this backwards.

Do tell ?

poserboy71 · Post by **poserboy71** » Tue May 22, 2012 8:05 am

Gene's songs were more CLASSIC Kiss sounding than Paul's.

Slayer · Post by **Slayer** » Tue May 22, 2012 9:45 am

poserboy71 wrote:
jesternjeff wrote:
erg2 wrote:...Im hoping its Gene's songs that can stand a little forward on Monster. His songs on SB were simply o.k, they were missing something I cant quit explain . Paul's songs on SB were more solid to the sound that is KISS.
In my opinion, you got this backwards.

I'm with R.E.S. on this one as I also thought that Gene's Songs were better than Paul's. Delilah and Dangerous we decent Paul Songs but Russian Roulette, Hot & Cold, Nobody's Perfect and Animal were very strong on Sonic Boom. I didn't like the Eric Singer Song but I thought Lightening Strikes by Tommy Thayer was actually pretty good. Gene Simmons Animal is the best song for me on Sonic Boom (Real Heavy) and the only thing that I really hated was the fact that Tommy Thayer plays nothing but Ace Frehley licks for solos. I would have liked to see Kiss move forward and for Tommy to play in whatever style is his. I actually have no idea what Tommy Thayer's real style is as I was not a Black n Blue Fan. Maybe things will change for Monster but I doubt it. Snake Sabo thinks that it sounds good for whatever that is worth.

Kev

shramiac · Post by **shramiac** » Tue May 22, 2012 9:54 am

EXACTLY what Kev said!

jesternjeff · Post by **jesternjeff** » Tue May 22, 2012 5:22 pm

Animal compared to God Of Thunder, not a chance ! Russian Roulette compared to Watching you ... you people are out of your mind. Hot & Cold compared to Two Timer ... really ? Do I have to point this out ??? Songs like Modern Day , Say Yeah can be placed on any classic Kiss Album and would stand the test of Kiss sounding. Genes songs wouldn't hold ground . I mean there better then anything from Unmasked and Animalize, Crazy Nights and most defiantly Hot In The Shade. IM REALLY hoping the stuff he does on Monster will be equivalent to what he did on COTN or LIU ..... TRUE GENE-IUS SONGS !

poserboy71 · Post by **poserboy71** » Wed May 23, 2012 5:20 am

This is the way I hear it :
The newer song and the older albums they could've been on----
Animal,Yes I Know (Nobody's Perfect) - Love Gun

Russian Roulette-Asylum

Hot & Cold, Danger Us-RNR OVER

MDD - Revenge

Say Yeah, Never Enough- Crazy Nights
Stand-Psycho Circus

I'm not too keen on Singer's or Thayer's spotlight songs on the album.
Gene's material sounds very 1970's while Paul is mostly backstroking in the 1980's and afterwards.

jesternjeff · Post by **jesternjeff** » Wed May 23, 2012 8:59 am

Animal on LOVE GUN, are you nuts PB ? If it aint broke dont fix it !!! Im Almost Human & Plaster Caster go way beyond these two songs ! Same thing w/ RnR Over, no chance, I wont even debate it. Im happy these new songs are on SB even more now .... thanks ! lol The rest of the stuff could have worked, I will agree w/ you on that !

Post by **Genebaby** » Wed May 23, 2012 9:10 am

I think what Rick means is Animal would not have been out of place on Love Gun, rather than it was better than others.

PinkWiz · Post by **PinkWiz** » Wed May 23, 2012 9:16 am

I have a feeling Monster will have the exact same feel and sound as Sonic Boom... just kinda... there. Gene's songs were better than Paul's IMO. Paul's lyrics are hard to take nowadays. The Eric and Tommy tunes were definitely filler.

jesternjeff · Post by **jesternjeff** » Wed May 23, 2012 9:18 am

He said, she said .. who cares ? I just want the new Gene songs on Monster to sound more like his COTN & LIU albums !!!!!!!!!!!

PinkWiz · Post by **PinkWiz** » Wed May 23, 2012 9:31 am

jesternjeff wrote:He said, she said .. who cares ? I just want the new Gene songs on Monster to sound more like his COTN & LIU albums !!!!!!!!!!!

obviously you care.

jesternjeff · Post by **jesternjeff** » Wed May 23, 2012 9:40 am

Yes I care for Genes new stuff to sound like the stuff he did on cotn & liu. I dont care to think anything off of SB could be placed on anything earlier !

poserboy71 · Post by **poserboy71** » Wed May 23, 2012 1:31 pm

Genebaby wrote:I think what Rick means is Animal would not have been out of place on Love Gun, rather than it was better than others.

doublev2 · Post by **doublev2** » Wed May 23, 2012 8:04 pm

damn that star trek thing is addictive. I see something in Kirk's eyes and expressions that remind me of Rick.

erg2 · Post by **erg2** » Thu May 24, 2012 11:40 am

Gene's songs sound exactly like real classic KISS songs. Like he was purposefully picking songs on classic albums and creating a "sister" version. In the sense that they have that classic sound they are wonderful. As standalone songs they all seem to lack strong enough riffs or lyrics to become classic themselves.
Paul's songs are less directly influenced by specific classic songs and more by eras of the band. His songs are musically and lyrically more interesting and "pop". In that sense they are more accessible and feel as if they could be "hits".
The Eric song is a lackluster, derivative turd.
The Tommy song, I hate to say it, is one of my favorites on the album. I like the riff, the groove and Tommy does a better vocal job than Ace was doing in the early 80s.

jesternjeff · Post by **jesternjeff** » Thu May 24, 2012 12:34 pm

Well put erg2 !

Slayer · Post by **Slayer** » Thu May 24, 2012 2:12 pm

jesternjeff wrote:Animal compared to God Of Thunder, not a chance ! Russian Roulette compared to Watching you ... you people are out of your mind. (Your Insulting your friends for having a different opinion?) Hot & Cold compared to Two Timer ... really ? Do I have to point this out ??? Songs like Modern Day , Say Yeah can be placed on any classic Kiss Album and would stand the test of Kiss sounding. (I Hate Say Yeah) Genes songs wouldn't hold ground . I mean there better then anything from Unmasked and Animalize, Crazy Nights and most defiantly Hot In The Shade. IM REALLY hoping the stuff he does on Monster will be equivalent to what he did on COTN or LIU ..... TRUE GENE-IUS SONGS !

Jeff,
Besides you who is comparing:
Animal to G.O.T.
Russian Roulette to Watchin You
Hot & Cold to Two Timer

Listen if you would enjoy debating the above that's cool but what your friends are sharing with you here is that they prefer Gene's Songs over Paul's Songs on Sonic Boom. If you like Paul's Songs better - GOD Bless you and Rock On! Nobody once compared Gene's Songs on Sonic Boom to the best Gene Songs in the Kiss Catalog.

My personal interests are dictated by guitar prowess which can certainly inspire great song writing. Based upon that I would be delighted if Gene's Contributions were inspired by C.O.T.N. & L.I.U. but from my vantage this would be very difficult because Tommy doesn't have Vinnie's Chops by a mile.

I admire your passion bro but there is no need to suggest that folks are crazy because they see things differently than you!

Kev

poserboy71 · Post by **poserboy71** » Fri May 25, 2012 3:30 am

Kev

doublev2 · Post by **doublev2** » Fri May 25, 2012 6:59 am

Why o why is tommy in the band.

jesternjeff · Post by **jesternjeff** » Fri May 25, 2012 8:49 am

Again, people want to give there opinions and thats why we are all here. For the record I wasnt comparing the Gene SB songs w/ the older songs but rather was in my own way deliberating the fact that the Gene songs on SB couldn't be considered to ANY of there early stuff and was using those songs as reference ! Gene kinda gets his voice like that stuff COTH & LIU on PC w/ Journey Of 1000 years w/ out the help of Vinnie. So, kev I will have to disagree w/ you on him needing Vinnie's contribution, though Vinnie's style may help Gene belt them out its not necessary .

Post by **Genebaby** » Fri May 25, 2012 11:09 am

doublev2 wrote:Why o why is tommy in the band.

It's not Tommy, it's what Gene and Paul want.

They no longer way to grow as a band but want to deliver what they hope is 70's style Kiss, rather than modern Kiss utilizing the talents of who is in the band today.

They no longer want a guitar hero like Vinnie or Mark, just an Ace clone.

Fair enough, it's their band. I just hope the new album is great.

At least there is a new album and tour, more than you know who is doing.

Slayer · Post by **Slayer** » Fri May 25, 2012 2:40 pm

jesternjeff wrote:Again, people want to give there opinions and thats why we are all here. For the record I wasnt comparing the Gene SB songs w/ the older songs but rather was in my own way deliberating the fact that the Gene songs on SB couldn't be considered to ANY of there early stuff and was using those songs as reference ! Gene kinda gets his voice like that stuff COTH & LIU on PC w/ Journey Of 1000 years w/ out the help of Vinnie. So, kev I will have to disagree w/ you on him needing Vinnie's contribution, though Vinnie's style may help Gene belt them out its not necessary .

Jeff,
I think that you and I agree that C.O.T.N. and L.I.U. were the very best of Kiss? Is this true? I really like Kiss in all its incarnations past and present but I really think that they kicked ass with Vinnie Vincent and this was my personal favorite lineup of Kiss.

Kev

jesternjeff · Post by **jesternjeff** » Fri May 25, 2012 2:57 pm

Genebaby wrote:
doublev2 wrote:Why o why is tommy in the band.
It's not Tommy, it's what Gene and Paul want.

They no longer way to grow as a band but want to deliver what they hope is 70's style Kiss, rather than modern Kiss utilizing the talents of who is in the band today.

They no longer want a guitar hero like Vinnie or Mark, just an Ace clone.

Fair enough, it's their band. I just hope the new album is great.

At least there is a new album and tour, more than you know who is doing.

Playing what they know is growing as a band, I cant stand the fact that some of there 80's stuff was based on fallowing trends . For example songs that sounded like every other band out there from Bon Jovi to Cinderella. After Animalize they lost it. They fallowed trends in the late 70's too but, you could still tell it was kiss doing a disco song. I dont think they ever wanted a guitar hero but, again they were just fallowing trends and w/ guys like Eddie V out at the time thats what they got. It worked out for them w/ Vinnie and Mark but, we all know what happened next.

Iceman75 · Post by **Iceman75** » Fri May 25, 2012 3:44 pm

I hope they put something in the CD case like tattoos or a mini poster.
Kind of like a crappy cereal that has a cool prize!

BigEd · Post by **BigEd** » Fri May 25, 2012 7:58 pm

How about a KISS Condom...

erg2 · Post by **erg2** » Sat May 26, 2012 4:26 am

It would be better if they were trying to do something more original instead of trying to recreate Rock and Roll Over or Love Gun. I don't think they have real faith in the music they write any longer...or faith that people will like it and buy it. They are putting out a product they think their faithful fans will like. The sad thing is, their faithful fans would give ANYTHING they tried a chance.

doublev2 · Post by **doublev2** » Sat May 26, 2012 6:33 am

i would like to hear something of a tribute to dynasty and also the elder 2.

i also would like kiss to do a vegas residency and play every album they have ever made live. each night two full records but with the originals who played it that are alive (no chance of vv sorry). that would be a great send off. kiss playing 25 shows including every song they ever wrote in order (or reverse order).

jesternjeff · Post by **jesternjeff** » Sat May 26, 2012 2:10 pm

Slayer wrote:
jesternjeff wrote:Again, people want to give there opinions and thats why we are all here. For the record I wasnt comparing the Gene SB songs w/ the older songs but rather was in my own way deliberating the fact that the Gene songs on SB couldn't be considered to ANY of there early stuff and was using those songs as reference ! Gene kinda gets his voice like that stuff COTH & LIU on PC w/ Journey Of 1000 years w/ out the help of Vinnie. So, kev I will have to disagree w/ you on him needing Vinnie's contribution, though Vinnie's style may help Gene belt them out its not necessary .
Jeff,
I think that you and I agree that C.O.T.N. and L.I.U. were the very best of Kiss? Is this true? I really like Kiss in all its incarnations past and present but I really think that they kicked ass with Vinnie Vincent and this was my personal favorite lineup of Kiss.

Kev

Actually Im a fan of the original line up and all albums up till Alive. Everything after that till COTN & LIU was just bubble gum, don't get me wrong here .. really good bubble gum. Unmasked was disappointing for me, Killers sucked ass ( I know some of you love it ) and the Elder was just a mind warp ( in a good way ) but, not KISS. It wasn't till COTN & LIU did they kick ass. Both of those albums still kick hard and Sound great ! Kev the line up w/ Vinnie on board is / was a great line up, no doubt about it !

Slayer · Post by **Slayer** » Sat May 26, 2012 2:15 pm

Great post Jeff!

Thanks

Kev

Post by **Genebaby** » Sat May 26, 2012 2:29 pm

The new songs on Killers were a step in the direction they were headed for on COTN. Love those songs.

Slayer · Post by **Slayer** » Sat May 26, 2012 2:33 pm

I'm a Legend Tonight
Partners in Crime
Down on Your Knees
No Where to Run

jesternjeff · Post by **jesternjeff** » Sat May 26, 2012 3:09 pm

I dont know how you can say that Genebaby, to me those song are simply Unmasked left overs and dont even come close, near any of the songs on COTN. And those crappy guitar solo's by Kulic make me sick !!!

Post by **Genebaby** » Sat May 26, 2012 5:36 pm

Hey, I just LOVE them, I can't help it man. Love Unmasked too. Kiss rule!!!

Slayer · Post by **Slayer** » Sun May 27, 2012 1:16 am

Shit in addition to Unmasked and the Killers 4, I even like the Elder

"The Oath" is a personal favorite of mine!

poserboy71 · Post by **poserboy71** » Sun May 27, 2012 1:20 am

jesternjeff wrote:I dont know how you can say that Genebaby, to me those song are simply Unmasked left overs and dont even come close, near any of the songs on COTN.

This is what I hear as well.

jesternjeff · Post by **jesternjeff** » Sun May 27, 2012 2:24 am

Here you go Genebaby, just for you .....

.... enjoy yourself !

erg2 · Post by **erg2** » Sun May 27, 2012 3:27 am

I've always read that the 4 songs on KILLERS were material being worked on for the "original" follow up to THE ELDER, which was supposed to be a harder/heavier album like CREATURES OF THE NIGHT. Then Ezrin was brought in and he convinced them that they should do a concept album so they put those songs on the shelf.

However, I've also read that at least a couple of those songs were written for THE ELDER but didn't make the cut.

One thing I had never heard was that they were leftover from UNMASKED.

That period of KISS was so chaotic and so convoluted that I doubt even Gene or Paul could give anyone an accurate account of what was done and when. They can barely tell who played what instrument on official album cuts. So who knows.

Iceman75 · Post by **Iceman75** » Sun May 27, 2012 6:08 pm

Yup, Killers was great!