MArk St John 8/2/1956
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LexxCusano
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MArk St John 8/2/1956
one of last photos of Mark St.John... Look his Teeth...
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Yeah, it wasn't good near the end. RIP Mr Norton.
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wow, didn't realize he looked that bad... I met him in sept. 2002 and he looked a little rough but nothing like that. I'm just guessing but damn, looks like meth abuse? read somewhere that he spent some time in jail right before he died also?
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That's so fucking sad seeing him in that photo, sick and destitute.. but look at him... He's with a fan and he's still smiling...
Hey man, I am cool, I am the Breeze...
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Meth mouth indeed! Sad, sad, sad! At least Vinnie didn't go that route!
Promises made, crying in vain, all empty. Never accepting the blame and not letting go of the shame. A river of tears, as months turn to years, all wasted. On someone not willing to change.Now only a shadow remains!
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He is still smiling and he has not a good time.
But listen Vinnie:
After KISS he put out music and have had meet and greets with fans till his death.
And you are sitting at home in front of your computer....
WE ARE STILL HERE AND WAITING...
Go and take the guitar in your hands. Make something better than still sitting on your ass!
Wolfi
But listen Vinnie:
After KISS he put out music and have had meet and greets with fans till his death.
And you are sitting at home in front of your computer....
WE ARE STILL HERE AND WAITING...
Go and take the guitar in your hands. Make something better than still sitting on your ass!
Wolfi
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Nice one Wolfi 
Hey man, I am cool, I am the Breeze...
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Re: MArk St John 8/2/1956
he actually looks good on that picture THIS IS FROM 2005
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Vv will not come back. As big as the rift is everyone wants him to put music out and just be cool. It will never happen. He hates his fans. Even what bry said when he was using code for people he didn't like proves the guy is not seeing straight. He isn't a massively famous guy and he has the nerve to make fun of his own fans. It was a nice story but it still shows his mind set. All his fans should be precious, particulary because he isn't that famous.
He got a lot of press when he was arrested mainly because of the dog story.and us reporting it to TMZ when they didn't know about it, but he really needs to think again about making enemies with his own fans.
He got a lot of press when he was arrested mainly because of the dog story.and us reporting it to TMZ when they didn't know about it, but he really needs to think again about making enemies with his own fans.
Bye Bye
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Well put DoubleV.
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Except you can tell he's got no teeth!!!!Streetbeat wrote:he actually looks good on that picture THIS IS FROM 2005
And yes to what you said Dino!
Promises made, crying in vain, all empty. Never accepting the blame and not letting go of the shame. A river of tears, as months turn to years, all wasted. On someone not willing to change.Now only a shadow remains!
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Mark is one of those people I found hard to recognise in later life. Steven Adler is another guy that looks soooo different to his 80's self.
I guess it's the ravages of destructive habits.
I guess it's the ravages of destructive habits.
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guitars GOOD drugs BAD..... easy to say hard to live
Guitars good, drugs booze.. bad
The worlds best qoute ever
"take your Massengill-soaked vibrator from your wretched gutter clam"
The worlds best qoute ever
"take your Massengill-soaked vibrator from your wretched gutter clam"
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wow, just looks so different than the kid in this video: 
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His nose continued to grow as his teeth were falling out from mass meth consumption
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Here's that article that was on KISS Asylum a few years ago discussing Mark's jail time and overdose from meth... fukn sad.
http://www.thedarkstuff.com/2008/04/las ... -jail.html
The Last Days of Mark St. John: Drugs, Jail, Violence
A month before roughly two dozen inmates at Theo Lacy Jail viciously killed John Chamberlain in an attack that would earn national headlines and lead to a major scandal that continues to unfold, an inmate named Mark Leslie Norton told deputies he feared for his life. He asked to be moved from one part of the jail to another.
Although deputies may not have recognized him, Norton is better known to most of the world by his stage name, MARK ST. JOHN; he had briefly been a guitarist for the world-famous rock band KISS in the mid-’80s until a nasty bout of arthritis forced him into early retirement.
Norton, according to published reports, grew up in Garden Grove and had been living with his parents there while earning a modest income giving guitar lessons. He was booked into Theo Lacy on Sept. 14, 2006 to serve a two-week sentence after pleading guilty to possession of drug paraphernalia, resisting arrest and attempted destruction of evidence. For a week, Norton stayed in D Barracks, a medium-security dormitory for nonviolent offenders. But on Sept. 21, according to Norton’s inmate file, which the Weekly recently obtained from the sheriff’s department, he told deputies he wanted to be moved somewhere else because he "stole crackers out of another inmate’s property box" and was "in fear for his safety."
Deputies moved Norton to F-West Barracks, another medium-security dormitory, where he remained for three days, until being released from jail on Sept. 24. From the file, it appears the transfer worked. There is nothing to suggest Norton was attacked or ever requested medical treatment. But one key witness insists that Norton did, in fact, get his ass kicked.
Jared Petrovich, a former shot-caller at the jail and one of nine inmates charged with murdering Chamberlain (see "‘I Lit the Fire,’" April 3), told the Weekly he personally helped to arrange for Norton to be assaulted and that Deputy Kevin Taylor, the same guard Petrovich alleges authorized the attack against Chamberlain, approved the beating. In a recent interview with the Weekly, the onetime shot-caller for the "Woods" (the white inmates at Theo Lacy) stated that Taylor knew in advance that numerous inmates, including Norton, would be beaten up and not only did nothing to stop the assaults, but also gave sack lunches to him and other inmates in return for carrying them out.
"We went up to Kevin Taylor and said, ‘We’re going to beat this guy [Norton] up,’" Petrovich recalls. "[Taylor] said okay and gave us sack lunches, two each for the four us," referring to himself, another Woods shot-caller and pair of Latino inmates who needed to be advised of an upcoming beating so they didn’t "trip out."
According to Petrovich, Norton was being punished for stealing property from another inmate in a different part of the jail. "He got caught stealing something," he says. "I guess he did that somewhere else in the jail, but we found out about it somehow. . . . The KISS guy got beat up pretty bad."
Petrovich says he was included in the meeting because the other shot-caller was scheduled to leave F-West in a few weeks and had chosen him as his replacement. Although Petrovich claims Norton was severely beaten, he says he didn’t personally witness the attack.
Sheriff’s officials have refused to make Taylor, who is currently on paid leave, available for an interview. On Oct. 5, 2006, he allegedly watched Cops on television and used his cell phone to send 22 text messages while dozens of inmates just yards away fatally beat Chamberlain, a Mission Viejo software engineer awaiting trial for possession of child pornography (see "Blind Spot," March 29, 2007). Following the murder, Taylor refused to speak to sheriff’s homicide investigators and, later, declined to be interviewed by district-attorney investigators or testify before the Orange County grand jury. But two of his partners did talk, and what they say suggests that Petrovich’s claims about Taylor, as outlandish as they sound, are plausible.
Both Special Services Officer Philip Le and Deputy Jason Chapluk testified that Taylor routinely used shot-callers such as Petrovich to enforce jail rules and punish inmates who broke them and that he frequently rewarded the shot-caller with special privileges such as extra time in the day room, new uniforms, or—you guessed it—sack lunches.
Le estimated that Taylor would meet with shot-callers up to 10 times per day and that some of those meetings were to ask the shot-caller to ensure that inmates who had been punished didn’t request medical treatment at the jail. The conversation, Le testified, would go like this: "Hey, this guy is messing up, so get him in line; [tell him], ‘You are not hurt. . . . You are fine.’" If the inmate continued to complain, Le told the grand jury, Taylor knew the result would be another violent attack. "Something is done discreetly in certain areas [of the barracks]," he explained. "The inmates know there are certain areas or blind spots, and they do it there."
A former Theo Lacy inmate who claims he was a Woods "torpedo," or enforcer, says he personally beat up, or "taxed," numerous inmates while incarcerated at the jail. (The Weekly confirmed that the inmate, who asked not to be identified, was in Theo Lacy several months before Chamberlain’s murder—and before Norton’s brief stint in the jail.) "It was my job to go to the blind spot and wait while another Wood got the person who was going to be taxed," he says. "You put the person getting taxed against the wall, ask them if they are ready, and then go to town for 15 seconds on their body. . . . It never gets brutal; there might be some bruises left after, but never any blood."
Mark Leslie Norton, unfortunately, is unable to talk about his time in Theo Lacy. As any true KISS fan already knows, Norton died last year. According to the Orange County Coroner, the cause of death was a brain hemorrhage brought on by an accidental overdose of methamphetamines on April 5, 2007. The Weekly’s attempts to reach Norton’s family for comment were unsuccessful.
http://www.thedarkstuff.com/2008/04/las ... -jail.html
The Last Days of Mark St. John: Drugs, Jail, Violence
A month before roughly two dozen inmates at Theo Lacy Jail viciously killed John Chamberlain in an attack that would earn national headlines and lead to a major scandal that continues to unfold, an inmate named Mark Leslie Norton told deputies he feared for his life. He asked to be moved from one part of the jail to another.
Although deputies may not have recognized him, Norton is better known to most of the world by his stage name, MARK ST. JOHN; he had briefly been a guitarist for the world-famous rock band KISS in the mid-’80s until a nasty bout of arthritis forced him into early retirement.
Norton, according to published reports, grew up in Garden Grove and had been living with his parents there while earning a modest income giving guitar lessons. He was booked into Theo Lacy on Sept. 14, 2006 to serve a two-week sentence after pleading guilty to possession of drug paraphernalia, resisting arrest and attempted destruction of evidence. For a week, Norton stayed in D Barracks, a medium-security dormitory for nonviolent offenders. But on Sept. 21, according to Norton’s inmate file, which the Weekly recently obtained from the sheriff’s department, he told deputies he wanted to be moved somewhere else because he "stole crackers out of another inmate’s property box" and was "in fear for his safety."
Deputies moved Norton to F-West Barracks, another medium-security dormitory, where he remained for three days, until being released from jail on Sept. 24. From the file, it appears the transfer worked. There is nothing to suggest Norton was attacked or ever requested medical treatment. But one key witness insists that Norton did, in fact, get his ass kicked.
Jared Petrovich, a former shot-caller at the jail and one of nine inmates charged with murdering Chamberlain (see "‘I Lit the Fire,’" April 3), told the Weekly he personally helped to arrange for Norton to be assaulted and that Deputy Kevin Taylor, the same guard Petrovich alleges authorized the attack against Chamberlain, approved the beating. In a recent interview with the Weekly, the onetime shot-caller for the "Woods" (the white inmates at Theo Lacy) stated that Taylor knew in advance that numerous inmates, including Norton, would be beaten up and not only did nothing to stop the assaults, but also gave sack lunches to him and other inmates in return for carrying them out.
"We went up to Kevin Taylor and said, ‘We’re going to beat this guy [Norton] up,’" Petrovich recalls. "[Taylor] said okay and gave us sack lunches, two each for the four us," referring to himself, another Woods shot-caller and pair of Latino inmates who needed to be advised of an upcoming beating so they didn’t "trip out."
According to Petrovich, Norton was being punished for stealing property from another inmate in a different part of the jail. "He got caught stealing something," he says. "I guess he did that somewhere else in the jail, but we found out about it somehow. . . . The KISS guy got beat up pretty bad."
Petrovich says he was included in the meeting because the other shot-caller was scheduled to leave F-West in a few weeks and had chosen him as his replacement. Although Petrovich claims Norton was severely beaten, he says he didn’t personally witness the attack.
Sheriff’s officials have refused to make Taylor, who is currently on paid leave, available for an interview. On Oct. 5, 2006, he allegedly watched Cops on television and used his cell phone to send 22 text messages while dozens of inmates just yards away fatally beat Chamberlain, a Mission Viejo software engineer awaiting trial for possession of child pornography (see "Blind Spot," March 29, 2007). Following the murder, Taylor refused to speak to sheriff’s homicide investigators and, later, declined to be interviewed by district-attorney investigators or testify before the Orange County grand jury. But two of his partners did talk, and what they say suggests that Petrovich’s claims about Taylor, as outlandish as they sound, are plausible.
Both Special Services Officer Philip Le and Deputy Jason Chapluk testified that Taylor routinely used shot-callers such as Petrovich to enforce jail rules and punish inmates who broke them and that he frequently rewarded the shot-caller with special privileges such as extra time in the day room, new uniforms, or—you guessed it—sack lunches.
Le estimated that Taylor would meet with shot-callers up to 10 times per day and that some of those meetings were to ask the shot-caller to ensure that inmates who had been punished didn’t request medical treatment at the jail. The conversation, Le testified, would go like this: "Hey, this guy is messing up, so get him in line; [tell him], ‘You are not hurt. . . . You are fine.’" If the inmate continued to complain, Le told the grand jury, Taylor knew the result would be another violent attack. "Something is done discreetly in certain areas [of the barracks]," he explained. "The inmates know there are certain areas or blind spots, and they do it there."
A former Theo Lacy inmate who claims he was a Woods "torpedo," or enforcer, says he personally beat up, or "taxed," numerous inmates while incarcerated at the jail. (The Weekly confirmed that the inmate, who asked not to be identified, was in Theo Lacy several months before Chamberlain’s murder—and before Norton’s brief stint in the jail.) "It was my job to go to the blind spot and wait while another Wood got the person who was going to be taxed," he says. "You put the person getting taxed against the wall, ask them if they are ready, and then go to town for 15 seconds on their body. . . . It never gets brutal; there might be some bruises left after, but never any blood."
Mark Leslie Norton, unfortunately, is unable to talk about his time in Theo Lacy. As any true KISS fan already knows, Norton died last year. According to the Orange County Coroner, the cause of death was a brain hemorrhage brought on by an accidental overdose of methamphetamines on April 5, 2007. The Weekly’s attempts to reach Norton’s family for comment were unsuccessful.
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Mark Saint John. King for a day...
How do you go from being into KISS to...that. Very sad indeed.
Like you said Vic that solo in 'I've Had Enough' just buckets down notes like rain. Awesome playing,
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How do you go from being into KISS to...that. Very sad indeed.
Like you said Vic that solo in 'I've Had Enough' just buckets down notes like rain. Awesome playing,
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I got Jesus in my fax machine. I saw Ho Chi Minh down @ Burger King. I dated Vinnie Vincent as a Drag Queen. I still don't understand a f**kin' thing.
I have come here to chew bubble gum and kick ass and I'm all out of bubble gum.
I have come here to chew bubble gum and kick ass and I'm all out of bubble gum.
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I got Jesus in my fax machine. I saw Ho Chi Minh down @ Burger King. I dated Vinnie Vincent as a Drag Queen. I still don't understand a f**kin' thing.
I have come here to chew bubble gum and kick ass and I'm all out of bubble gum.
I have come here to chew bubble gum and kick ass and I'm all out of bubble gum.
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I got Jesus in my fax machine. I saw Ho Chi Minh down @ Burger King. I dated Vinnie Vincent as a Drag Queen. I still don't understand a f**kin' thing.
I have come here to chew bubble gum and kick ass and I'm all out of bubble gum.
I have come here to chew bubble gum and kick ass and I'm all out of bubble gum.
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This is strange. Two ex-Ex Guitarists that were both nick named 'Skippy'.
http://www.youtube.com/user/StJohnsSister/feeddoppelganger wrote:...VV likes to be called Skippy.
Kathleen Norton / Mark St John's Sister wrote: In loving Memory of my oldest Brother Mark Norton aka Mark St. John of Kiss. aka "Skippy"
2/07/1956 - 4/05/2007) R.I.P
I got Jesus in my fax machine. I saw Ho Chi Minh down @ Burger King. I dated Vinnie Vincent as a Drag Queen. I still don't understand a f**kin' thing.
I have come here to chew bubble gum and kick ass and I'm all out of bubble gum.
I have come here to chew bubble gum and kick ass and I'm all out of bubble gum.
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I was aware that was Mark's nickname but didn't know it was Vinnie's.
Can't believe Gene didn't jump all over that name for Mark... first we had Ace, then Wiz and now... Skippy!
Can't believe Gene didn't jump all over that name for Mark... first we had Ace, then Wiz and now... Skippy!
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Dammit, this is all so sad... I mean, I know he had it bad (perhaps worse than all the others), but I've only heard vague rumors about his drug abuse.
Damn...
Damn...
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That solo on Into The Fire is truly one of the best in the entire KISS catalog.
If only Gene's songs on that album weren't so shitty.
If only Gene's songs on that album weren't so shitty.
Open your window and see the real world
To know what you've been missing
Come out of the shadows
Insecurity lies
In a heart afraid to listen
To know what you've been missing
Come out of the shadows
Insecurity lies
In a heart afraid to listen