Hey Vinnie - Julien's Auction

Possio · Post by **Possio** » Tue May 05, 2015 8:05 pm

Ok, so, Vic, that implies...? Lot 354 was for certain never played with KISS or ?
Cheers, O

Post by **Genebaby** » Tue May 05, 2015 8:44 pm

What I'm wondering is how both these guitars look so similar today, when, taking into account a respray, only one could ever be his LIU guitar due to the inlays.

They are like copies of each other, is every pink Jackson Rhoads an ex Vinnie Vincent guitar?

Possio · Post by **Possio** » Tue May 05, 2015 9:41 pm

So, facts concerning the guitars are still as confusing as they were the day this discussion started ? hehe..

You guys sure has gotten to the bottom of this, but you mean it is still a mystery where the original ( that pink guitar I sat as a 12 year old watching Vinnie play in that "Hockey-rink" in 1983) is still missing ? or ?...still with the original owner ?

roustabout23 · Post by **roustabout23** » Wed May 06, 2015 7:07 am

here, on jacksons website, pertaining to serials... there is a column, for early 80s guitars, that dont list a serial number set, or location, all jackson USA neck throughs...

http://www.jacksonguitars.com/support/serial-numbers/

roustabout23 · Post by **roustabout23** » Wed May 06, 2015 7:11 am

and in this video, the carvin is in fact...silver... so... maybe we are all way way way off base in our assumptions?

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shramiac · Post by **shramiac** » Wed May 06, 2015 10:00 am

Yes the Carvin 6/12 is as silver as!

With Vinnie getting his first few Rhoads guitars in '82, it seems by those Jackson charts, that indeed it's a hell of a good chance that none of Vinnie's early Rhoads have serial numbers. When Dino took the pictures of the Hard Rock guitar when it was still in Cardiff, he said there was no number on it. Been waiting for the Hard Rock Hotel in Pattaya where the guitar is now to send me a real close up of the 22nd fret but it looks like Dino was right and there is no serial number on it.

Good work roustie!

doublev2 · Post by **doublev2** » Wed May 06, 2015 7:52 pm

The description is wrong. The headstock was never refinished while in kiss. Also seems unlikely he woukd change vol control after he left kiss but who knows http://www.julienslive.com/view-auction ... lot/63874/
Out of interest can you show me pic of double neck in silver from the video. Thanks

doublev2 · Post by **doublev2** » Wed May 06, 2015 7:53 pm

We really need to see side by side shots. He should supply the picture of each prototype now and later.

shramiac · Post by **shramiac** » Wed May 06, 2015 11:03 pm

At the end of the video it looks silver to me. Can see why anyone could think it was black though with all the lighting on it, I know I did.

No blue/white/good dress comparisons please!

doublev2 · Post by **doublev2** » Thu May 07, 2015 12:14 am

In the carvin ad he has black. I guess it could have just been a show piece.

doublev2 · Post by **doublev2** » Thu May 07, 2015 12:18 am

Ok it looks silver with black headstocks in video. Well that's new to.me

ankh · Post by **ankh** » Thu May 07, 2015 6:08 am

i did mention the Palecki side of the story about the Pear, and that led to some discussion............

look towards the end of the thread

http://www.kissfaq.com/forum11/viewtopi ... 1&t=108270

shramiac · Post by **shramiac** » Thu May 07, 2015 9:35 am

doublev2 wrote:In the carvin ad he has black. I guess it could have just been a show piece.

Yes, may well have been!

roustabout23 · Post by **roustabout23** » Thu May 07, 2015 11:26 am

he may have also ordered it in black, or specified it that way and it looked too plain, so had it refinished? How far apart are the video and photo ad in a timeline?
also, i wonder if anyone has ever asked G.E. Smith about Vinnie, or his experiences in a band with him way back when...

doublev2 · Post by **doublev2** » Fri May 08, 2015 1:39 am

Very possible. I think pic was early 88 or late 87 and video summer 88. Carvin never really offered silver and I think vv woukd have had headstocks painted sane color as body if he had ordered it originally in silver so I think it is a respray or possibly a respray

doublev2 · Post by **doublev2** » Fri May 08, 2015 1:48 am

He already has over 15 thousand without auction starting. I am now thinking he may get 25k plus

shramiac · Post by **shramiac** » Fri May 08, 2015 8:36 am

Buyers are hit with a very hefty 25% "buyers premium" from Juliens too!!! Youcharama!!!!

doublev2 · Post by **doublev2** » Fri May 08, 2015 8:50 am

Buyers pay 25% extra?

doublev2 · Post by **doublev2** » Fri May 08, 2015 8:50 am

Usually sellers get hit

Post by **Genebaby** » Fri May 08, 2015 10:51 am

I was at an auction recently and all the buyers paid 16% on top of their bid. 25% is a lot!

doublev2 · Post by **doublev2** » Fri May 08, 2015 6:15 pm

Wow. Shocking someone bid 12500 for a guitar that at best is completely different looking to how it was in kiss.

Post by **Genebaby** » Fri May 08, 2015 8:03 pm

Yeah, that's a lot of cash for a guitar that can't really be verified in many ways.

doublev2 · Post by **doublev2** » Sat May 09, 2015 4:35 am

At best it's what it says it is but with added pink headstock never seen in kiss at worst not from kiss at all. Matching photos would be a good idea

aeroflott · Post by **aeroflott** » Wed May 13, 2015 7:19 pm

Not sure how conclusive this might be, but this appears to show Vinnie using a pink headstock on the LIU Tour:

Much later obviously, but here's another with pink headstock that Vinnie played at the European expos - not the same guitar, but several similarities. Note the reverse triangle inlays:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExegnOTDbKA

A picture of the reverse of the pink auction guitar would be useful, as it appears the guitars took a battering on the reverse from Vinnie's bullet belts onstage:

None of these seem to help, but interesting all the same:

shramiac · Post by **shramiac** » Wed May 13, 2015 8:00 pm

Guessing it got a new coat due to the damage..... check the tip chipped off the headstock.

Post by **Genebaby** » Wed May 13, 2015 9:07 pm

The photo isn't good enough for the headstock, but it's probably his usual black headed Jacksons. Vinnie has never been seen in Kiss with a pink headed guitar, only in the 90's did they turn up, like that monstrosity he took around with him to the conventions. It looked as crappy as his makeup did back then.

doublev2 · Post by **doublev2** » Thu May 14, 2015 5:51 am

No pink headstock on liu tour just pink on back of headstock

tukoztukoz · Post by **tukoztukoz** » Sat May 16, 2015 7:26 am

I can't believe it, everything's sold, even the boots!!! (there's no "unsold" on Julien's site)

shramiac · Post by **shramiac** » Sat May 16, 2015 9:57 am

Interesting! Did anyone register with Julien's? Be cool to find out what they went for. If the '92 Pear VVV sold at a good price, I hope Vinnie slings a bit of cash back to Tom. Fresh start....a fresh start.

Post by **Streetbeat** » Sat May 16, 2015 10:00 am

42 VINNIE VINCENT HANDWRITTEN WORKING LYRICS $300
343 VINNIE VINCENT "BETRAYED" WORKING LYRICS $300
344 VINNIE VINCENT HANDWRITTEN WORKING LYRICS $300
345 VINNIE VINCENT HANDWRITTEN LYRICS AND SIGNATURE $150
346 VINNIE VINCENT HANDWRITTEN "AND ON THE 8TH DAY LYRICS $700
347 VINNIE VINCENT HANDWRITTEN "YOUNG AND WASTED" LYRICS $400
348 VINNIE VINCENT STAGE AND VIDEO WORN BOOTS $200
349 VINNIE VINCENT LEVI'S JEANS o $800
350 VINNIE VINCENT JACKSON ELECTRIC GUITAR $2,250
351 VINNIE VINCENT MODEL GUITAR o $ $2,250
352 VINNIE VINCENT CARVIN DOUBLENECK ELECTRIC GUITAR o $5,500
353 VINNIE VINCENT 1980 CHARVEL ELECTRIC GUITAR o $4,000
354 VINNIE VINCENT STAGE AND STUDIO USED JACKSON PROTOTYPE GUITAR • o $20,000

shramiac · Post by **shramiac** » Sat May 16, 2015 2:17 pm

Thanks, Sammy. Shame Tom's guitar only went for that.

The rest went for about what you think they would have. Congrats Vinnie.

doublev2 · Post by **doublev2** » Sat May 16, 2015 7:06 pm

So vinnie knows how much the azg's are worth. Not 10k as he believes. We all knew about 2500 was value. Apart from the pear has more value since coming as a vv's own collection. I hope someone here bought it actually. I think the double neck went for more than its worth and the handwritten lyrics are bullshit. Credit to vv for selling to dumb ass people.

doublev2 · Post by **doublev2** » Sat May 16, 2015 7:09 pm

The stage used jackson which has not been proven without doubt and certainly never used on stage with pink headstock and New logo went for 6 times what I think it's worth

shramiac · Post by **shramiac** » Mon May 18, 2015 12:55 pm

Well lookie what we have here!!!! With all our waffling on about which guitar is which, we all missed something in the pictures that aeroflott posted....but Eagle Eye Freddy didn't!!!!

This guitar is not the Cardiff/Pattaya Hard Rock guitar!!!!

Regular inlays! Is this the LIU guitar????

Could you tell us where you took the photo or where you found the picture, aero???

Post by **Genebaby** » Mon May 18, 2015 1:50 pm

I did notice that, you can see also the display is different, etc.

aeroflott · Post by **aeroflott** » Tue May 19, 2015 2:39 am

Hi

That picture was taken last year at the Hard Rock Seminole, FL.

Post by **Streetbeat** » Tue May 19, 2015 3:01 am

So Vinnie had 11 guitars but on his bankruptcy he said he just had one

doublev2 · Post by **doublev2** » Tue May 19, 2015 6:04 am

And again headstock re painted if this is original. I am starting to think a vv fan within the corporate piece of crap restaurant chain. I just saw lick it up record sleeve very faded with vv signiture at Edinburgh hard rock. My guess it's been in hard rock collection since release of lick it up.
I find it pretty odd so much vinnie stuff at hard rock

doublev2 · Post by **doublev2** » Tue May 19, 2015 6:05 am

The non reverse inlay jackson I believe didn't have an emg from memory.

Post by **Streetbeat** » Tue May 19, 2015 6:05 am

i think Vinnie will send a new batch of items to Julien's

doublev2 · Post by **doublev2** » Tue May 19, 2015 6:10 am

from quick look not same guitar. Different controls too

Post by **Streetbeat** » Tue May 19, 2015 6:11 am

Not the same at all

doublev2 · Post by **doublev2** » Tue May 19, 2015 6:12 am

doublev2 · Post by **doublev2** » Tue May 19, 2015 6:13 am

We need a serial on florida guitar because the non reverse inlay jackson was not a prototype, it was made for lick it up tour.

Post by **Streetbeat** » Tue May 19, 2015 6:15 am

maybe vinnie is getting some ebay guitars, spray them pink and selling them as vintage

doublev2 · Post by **doublev2** » Tue May 19, 2015 6:17 am

This does have an emg but I believe he switched them out in 84.

I will get grover to look at everything.

doublev2 · Post by **doublev2** » Tue May 19, 2015 6:18 am

I see no vv guitar with same vol.controls as the florida one. Weird he changed headstock color on all.of them from black to pink. Why? He never used them in public after kiss.

Post by **Streetbeat** » Tue May 19, 2015 6:29 am

Yes seems like all of the newly surfaced guitars are pink headstock

shramiac · Post by **shramiac** » Tue May 19, 2015 8:34 am

aeroflott wrote:Hi

That picture was taken last year at the Hard Rock Seminole, FL.

Cool! Thanks for that.

Can't tell what Floyd is on it though. May well be an NFT Floyd but looks more like a JT-6 Jackson branded one to be honest.

I'll hit them up and see if they are as nice as the staff at the Pattaya HR are and see if we can get some close up shots of this baby!

Pity we didn't know about this last year, as Vic could have got a few good snaps of her!

Post by **Genebaby** » Tue May 19, 2015 12:24 pm

Yeah I would have!