Peter Criss' "Makeup To Breakup"

Slayer · Post by **Slayer** » Thu Nov 29, 2012 2:19 pm

Brainsaw wrote:
Genebaby wrote:Brainsaw, you should do an introduction to yourself, you seem to have some cool background history we would love to hear about.
I'm not going to hang around. I just thought that with the release of Peter's book, it would be a good time to point out some things especially with Peter being so honest.

And then people can really pay attention to how bad George Sewitt was with Ace and Peter and then you can just imagine how he was for Vinnie.

But hopefully I shed some light on some things and will get some to think....especially after "Make Up To Breakup".

Just out of curiousity have you ever heard the song "Brainsaw"? If so what do you think of it?

Please advice

Kev

Post by **Genebaby** » Thu Nov 29, 2012 2:35 pm

It's a pity you're not going to hang around, you have started some interesting topics which have people talking.

poserboy71 · Post by **poserboy71** » Thu Nov 29, 2012 2:48 pm

Brainsaw wrote:
I'm not going to hang around.

And then people can really pay attention to how bad George Sewitt was with Ace and Peter and then you can just imagine how he was for Vinnie.

But hopefully I shed some light on some things and will get some to think....

Thanks for your concern but we don't need anyone to shed light on topics that we are well aware of.
We know about Sewitt, Peter's book, etc...
We have applauded Vinnie and also called him on his bullshit. Just like we do to each other here.
I would hope you would stay but if you really aren't planning on being around, DON'T LET THE DOOR HIT YA WHERE THE GOOD LORD SPLIT YA !

It's just funny to me considering your first post insinuates that you have been visiting and reading here for quite a while.

PinkWiz · Post by **PinkWiz** » Thu Nov 29, 2012 3:05 pm

Brainsaw wrote: But hopefully I shed some light on some things and will get some to think.

Yeah, it's the same old same old as far as Vinnie stuff goes... we've heard it all before. The only thing that would possibly "get some to think" is new material, interviews, etc. Otherwise we don't have to think much about what we already know and have heard a billion times.

metatron · Post by **metatron** » Thu Nov 29, 2012 4:31 pm

HO! HO! HO! Bitches

PinkWiz · Post by **PinkWiz** » Thu Nov 29, 2012 4:39 pm

metatron wrote:
HO! HO! HO! Bitches

Merry Xmas Cusano... from the "Island of Misfit Toys!"

poserboy71 · Post by **poserboy71** » Thu Nov 29, 2012 4:40 pm

I smell an ASS.

PinkWiz · Post by **PinkWiz** » Thu Nov 29, 2012 4:58 pm

poserboy71 wrote:I smell an ASS.

Quit sniffin' yer fanger...

poserboy71 · Post by **poserboy71** » Thu Nov 29, 2012 5:06 pm

It was never in her. Maybe my brother did something ?

shramiac · Post by **shramiac** » Thu Nov 29, 2012 6:27 pm

poserboy71 wrote:It was never in her. Maybe my brother did something ?

Lets not go there again!!!!

I don't like it when someone who is telling great stuff decides that they're leaving! C'mon Bsaw! You kicking ass here! Great to read!

poserboy71 · Post by **poserboy71** » Thu Nov 29, 2012 6:33 pm

I don't care to play fucking games with anyone.
This person skirts fair questions.
You wanna stay... ...STAY.
You wanna leave... ...LEAVE.

Don't pop your head in to

enlighten the ignorant

then say that you're not sticking around.
That's just insulting.

Be real or FUCK OFF !

doublev2 · Post by **doublev2** » Thu Nov 29, 2012 7:03 pm

Yeah we have way too many bullshitters claiming they know vv or vvi members and not explaining.
It would be cool if you hung around and told your stories rather than try on some sort of bullshit tease.

erg2 · Post by **erg2** » Fri Nov 30, 2012 10:18 am

1+1≠2

KissMyAss · Post by **KissMyAss** » Thu Dec 06, 2012 1:46 am

Brainsaw wrote:I'm surprised nobody has talked about Peter Criss' book. By far the most truthful of all the KISS books.

People continually slag on Vinnie, but maybe after some read Peter's book, they will be glad Vinnie didn't end up like so many others that have endured Gene and Paul.

He could have ended up like Ace or Peter--drugged and boozed out.

He could have ended up like Eric Carr (with panic attacks) and screwed by Gene and Paul at the end of his life.

He could have ended up like Mark St. John--whose hand problems were caused by Paul and then they just tossed him aside. Of course, he was into kiddie porn so who cares what happened to him.

How Gene, Paul and Doc continued to screw and lie to Ace and Peter during the reunion, farewell tours etc. Ripping them off money. Even paying Thayer more than they paid Peter.

The one surprising omission in Peter's book is him begging Vinnie to let him be a part of Vinnie Vincent Invasion. To let him sing, co-write. Anything. Peter was desperate and Vinnie didn't want him in the band.

But if people want to complain about unethical people who rip everyone off around them-- look no further than Gene and Paul. The masters at manipulation and fraud.

Of course, there's been alot of b.s. interviews lately with people like Adam Mitchell (who still try and make money off Gene and Paul). Wasn't it Adam who was so clueless in his recent interview he was acting like Mark St. John was in KISS before Vinnie? There's been so many horrendous things said in interviews recently, where if the interviewer had a clue, he would have called them on their false claims during the interview.

Robert Fleischman and his recent b.s. really takes the cake. And he's just trying to still live off Vinnie. Nobody in their right mind would buy "The Sky". That's some of the worst music ever. Strum should have gone after him for some of his outlandish claims. But people probably just look the other way with Robert. He's damaged too many brain cells from his drug use. How can that guy still act like he was a part of Journey. Sang for them 8 months. Not on one album. My goodness.

Also, it was great of Peter busting Gene about what a terrible businessman he really is. Gene's a joke. He'll stick his name on 100 things. 99 of them will be failures at least. But Gene acts like he's a genius. Whether its the stuff he does under Simmons/Abrams or whatever-it usually fails.

And one of the best parts of Peter's book is Peter confirming what everyone already knew... that the He/She (Paul) would get so upset if anyone tried to take the spotlight away from Paul. Peter talks about how Paul tries to get in on Peter's part of KMTPOTP movie. And how Paul would get annoyed in concert if Peter was getting too much attention. That's why its priceless to watch the videos (especially the LIU tour) where Vinnie is upstaging Paul time and again. Paul is whining at Vinnie and being annoyed and Vinnie could care less.

Fact: Reiter Syndrome is caused by a combination of a gene and bacterial infection. Gene and Paul did not cause Mark St. John's condition

Fact: Alcoholics are genetically predisposed. Nobody drives alcoholics to drink.

Fact: The myth that marijuana kills brain cells is outdated. Doctors do not accept it as fact. Read Web MD. http://www.webmd.com/mental-health/news ... mage-brain

Fact: Robert Fleischman turned down rerecording ASG to pursue his own career

doublev2 · Post by **doublev2** » Thu Dec 06, 2012 3:11 am

Is peter going to say he was desperate to join vvi even if it was true. I asure you if he had neither vv or peter would like each other now.
Peter did openly say he was upset ace didnt ask him to joing the comet but I could not see pwter being happy being in ace's band especially when he wasnt keen on taking a back seat in kiss.

erg2 · Post by **erg2** » Thu Dec 06, 2012 5:39 am

I really like Peter's book the best, because it feels the most honest. Now, that's "honest" from Peter's perspective. Gene's book(s) clearly have agendas and are calculated. He has ret-conned the story to make himself out to look as good as possible. Ace's book skips so much and glosses over touchy issues that I walked away feeling that I didn't learn much about him at all.

Having said that, I agree with what DoubleV2 is saying. Peter clearly complains about EVERYTHING. I think that's just his nature. He would much rather be a superstar solo performer and if he isn't it's the fault of someone else. And if he can't be a superstar solo performer, then Ace should have given up HIS solo aspirations to join forces with Peter to help Peter out. Even with Ace knowing that Peter would've been dissatisfied the entire time because it wasn't a Peter Criss solo effort.

doublev2 · Post by **doublev2** » Thu Dec 06, 2012 6:35 am

Funny my two favourite members seem to dislike kiss the most.

5minLuvKills · Post by **5minLuvKills** » Thu Dec 06, 2012 10:53 am

I've barely started this book...it is my extremely busy season at work so I keep putting it off...I will say I like it so far but I'm only 15 pages in

(Gene's book was the most annoying, disgusting self-serving rock bio I've ever read and Ace's was heart breaking (to me) because it was almost as self-serving..he hasn't learned anything it seems)

As for Peter joining VVI....umm no... I love the original Kiss for all their sloppiness but there is no way in hell Peter could have ever kept time in that band. Bobby Rock is one of the best drummers around and he needed to be to keep up with Vinnie

What's sad is the only person in Kiss that was a nice guy AND had a gift for playing music (notice I didn't say musical talent/ability) was Eric Carr and I guess Eric Singer. I've never been a huge fan of Kulick or Thayer's playing but I haven't listened to the 2 newest Kiss albums more than 3 or 4 times.

Basically the original Kiss = 4 despicable, repugnant individuals in their own different way. But I sure do like their music. Obviously that goes for Vinnie as well

KissMyAss · Post by **KissMyAss** » Fri Dec 07, 2012 1:50 am

poserboy71 wrote:I don't care to play fucking games with anyone.
This person skirts fair questions.
You wanna stay... ...STAY.
You wanna leave... ...LEAVE.

Don't pop your head in to enlighten the ignorant then say that you're not sticking around.
That's just insulting.

Be real or FUCK OFF !

Think of how you sound to the guy.
He doesn't want to tell you what he thinks.
He is just a fan.
He told you he wasn't Vinnie.
Instead of being rude,
GET A GRIP.

doublev2 · Post by **doublev2** » Fri Dec 07, 2012 2:51 am

I am just interested in two things
1. How does he know peter wanted to be in vvi and how he knew vv didnt want him?

2. Why he said everything on db geek are lies.

Kma that is unbacked up statements and any board would ask for more info on claims like that.

KissMyAss · Post by **KissMyAss** » Fri Dec 07, 2012 3:06 am

doublev2 wrote:I am just interested in two things
1. How does he know peter wanted to be in vvi and how he knew vv didnt want him?

2. Why he said everything on db geek are lies.

Kma that is unbacked up statements and any board would ask for more info on claims like that.

He read Peter's book. Vinnie Vincent auditioned Peter Criss. If he had wanted PC in VVI, he would've hired him.

I don't know why he thinks everything on db geek are lies. That doesn't make him Vinnie Vincent. People don't always need motivations to hold an opinion.

KissMyAss · Post by **KissMyAss** » Fri Dec 07, 2012 3:28 am

I'm going to miss out on debating with Brainsaw

ankh · Post by **ankh** » Fri Dec 07, 2012 4:36 am

In peter's book there's no mention of him auditioning for Vinnie.Brainsaw talked about it like something that peter omitted.One person who auditioned for Vinne but didn't make it was Greg Bissonette,but Vinnie recommended him to dave lee roth and he got the gig.

doublev2 · Post by **doublev2** » Fri Dec 07, 2012 5:45 am

Brainsaw is trying to mske us think hes vv or has an inside scoop to vinnie but wont tell us where his info comes from.

poserboy71 · Post by **poserboy71** » Fri Dec 07, 2012 8:03 am

KissMyAss wrote:
poserboy71 wrote:I don't care to play fucking games with anyone.
This person skirts fair questions.
You wanna stay... ...STAY.
You wanna leave... ...LEAVE.

Don't pop your head in to enlighten the ignorant then say that you're not sticking around.
That's just insulting.

Be real or FUCK OFF !
Think of how you sound to the guy.
He doesn't want to tell you what he thinks.
He is just a fan.
He told you he wasn't Vinnie.
Instead of being rude,
GET A GRIP.

I never ACCUSED him of being Vinnie and ONCE AGAIN , I DON'T CARE IF HE IS OR NOT.
I simply will not stand for someone saying that they know personal information about Vinnie and not say who they are.
That is not fair to Vinnie or to the fans that are here.
Why the fuck did YOU come back ?
Back off and keep my name out of your mouth, Dear.

Brainsaw · Post by **Brainsaw** » Mon Dec 10, 2012 2:29 pm

And big news for Kiss fans-Ace has asked Peter Criss to guest-drum on at least one track, possibly a Stones cover tune.

Meanwhile, Peter has formed a new band called The Keep with guitarist Kevin Russell, who he met through Mark Slaughter. Now looking for a bassist and a rhythm guitarist who can sing, Peter says the music will have a gothic feel and a straightforward hard rock sound. Aiming to enter the studio this summer, Peter and Kevin are writing songs, and he's obtained material from Vinnie Vincent:" finally got my thing going, and I'm excited," Peter enthuses. '" can't wait to get a record out."

Metal Edge July 1989 page 20

shramiac · Post by **shramiac** » Mon Dec 10, 2012 2:55 pm

Cool stuff Bsaw! Enjoying your posts!

erg2 · Post by **erg2** » Tue Dec 11, 2012 12:48 am

I really enjoyed hard hitting news publications like Metal Edge...

metatron · Post by **metatron** » Tue Dec 11, 2012 2:19 am

Brainsaw wrote: Peter Criss and Kevin are writing songs, and he's obtained material from Vinnie Vincent:" finally got my thing going, and I'm excited," Peter enthuses. '" can't wait to get a record out."

Metal Edge July 1989 page 20

Did this thing take off? Did it have VV songs on it?

doublev2 · Post by **doublev2** » Tue Dec 11, 2012 2:44 am

no it didnt happen. . i heard they may write together. I think around the time of ASG release something came out. As for obtaining VV material I never heard that one. I suppose it could have been some of the Soto demos like youngblood ??? No idea. But Peter never got his records together. I believe the band was called 'CRISS' in 1987 as the december issue of one of the american magazines reported that.

doublev2 · Post by **doublev2** » Tue Dec 11, 2012 2:47 am

I do think VV writing and producing for Peter in the late 80s would have been a good idea. Peter just didn't have the late 80s look to sell records without them being unbelievably good. Vinnie could have been the guy to help him.
I dreamt of a VV / Eric Carr joint project around this time. I always hoped that would happen but to be honest I can not think Eric would get too many tunes on the record. Vinnie would I am sure only let Eric join the band and not be an equal.

ankh · Post by **ankh** » Tue Dec 11, 2012 4:25 am

The keep was a group put together with Mark st John, you can find demos on the net and on youtube, but the demos were rejected by the record companies.Because of that,and -it seems- for financial reasons,meaning he had to make a living, st John left the group.They did find another guitarist and the group evolved into CRISS,they made an EP and a record and toured until the reunuion.

PinkWiz · Post by **PinkWiz** » Tue Dec 11, 2012 1:57 pm

erg2 wrote:I really enjoyed hard hitting news publications like Metal Edge...

The Teen Beat of Metal mags!

But damn, I used to read the shit outta Metal Edge!

erg2 · Post by **erg2** » Wed Dec 12, 2012 6:04 am

PinkWiz wrote:
erg2 wrote:I really enjoyed hard hitting news publications like Metal Edge...
The Teen Beat of Metal mags!

But damn, I used to read the shit outta Metal Edge!

...yeah...me too...

5minLuvKills · Post by **5minLuvKills** » Thu Dec 13, 2012 9:39 pm

erg2 wrote:
PinkWiz wrote:
erg2 wrote:I really enjoyed hard hitting news publications like Metal Edge...
The Teen Beat of Metal mags!

But damn, I used to read the shit outta Metal Edge!
...yeah...me too...

as did I but hey I was a teen in '89...my friends and I used to have fun making fun of the pics of the bands we didn't like. Extremely mature stuff. There was like 300 words total in any given issue most of them in 48 font or bigger

Brainsaw · Post by **Brainsaw** » Sat Dec 15, 2012 11:14 am

5minLuvKills wrote: as did I but hey I was a teen in '89...my friends and I used to have fun making fun of the pics of the bands we didn't like. Extremely mature stuff. There was like 300 words total in any given issue most of them in 48 font or bigger

You must have been reading a different magazine. There were more than 300 words in the METAL WIRE alone.

Funny thing is the smarter bands embraced Metal Edge right away, like VVI did. Metal Edge was one of the best selling tools for hair bands.

While Gerri got picked on for the baby pics and other stupid things, Metal Edge was often times 2 or 3 months ahead with news than Hit Parade, Circus and others.

Also, if you go back and look at the issues from back then, you'll see how stupid KISS was for not embracing Metal Edge. They had some rights ups in the mid to late 80's but nothing like the smarter bands who went all out with them.

KISS finally came to their senses in the 90s and especially mid-90's. How many Metal Edge KISS Specials were there then?

And of course, Gene doesn't want Vinnie to sell copies of the EP/Euphoria so he blocks the ad that had already been accepted and paid for... in whichever KISS Metal Edge special it was...

Slayer · Post by **Slayer** » Sat Dec 15, 2012 11:19 am

Why did Gene object to the advertising for the sale of Euphoria through an ad in Metal Edge?

Kev

poserboy71 · Post by **poserboy71** » Sat Dec 15, 2012 11:21 am

Brainsaw wrote:
5minLuvKills wrote: as did I but hey I was a teen in '89...my friends and I used to have fun making fun of the pics of the bands we didn't like. Extremely mature stuff. There was like 300 words total in any given issue most of them in 48 font or bigger

You must have been reading a different magazine. There were more than 300 words in the METAL WIRE alone.

They were speaking of Teen Beat magazine. Their post had a picture of the magazine.

Brainsaw · Post by **Brainsaw** » Sat Dec 15, 2012 12:48 pm

poserboy71 wrote:
Brainsaw wrote:
5minLuvKills wrote: as did I but hey I was a teen in '89...my friends and I used to have fun making fun of the pics of the bands we didn't like. Extremely mature stuff. There was like 300 words total in any given issue most of them in 48 font or bigger

You must have been reading a different magazine. There were more than 300 words in the METAL WIRE alone.

They were speaking of Teen Beat magazine. Their post had a picture of the magazine.

-------
Are you sure, I thought they were calling Metal Edge the "Teen Beat Of Metal Mags"?

erg2 wrote:I really enjoyed hard hitting news publications like Metal Edge...

The Teen Beat of Metal mags!
Image
But damn, I used to read the shit outta Metal Edge!

5minLuvKills · Post by **5minLuvKills** » Sat Dec 15, 2012 12:59 pm

so tempting..

PinkWiz · Post by **PinkWiz** » Sat Dec 15, 2012 1:00 pm

Teen Beat had 300 words... Metal Edge had 3 million words.

How do I know so fukn much bout Teen Beat?

Brainsaw · Post by **Brainsaw** » Tue Dec 18, 2012 8:15 am

Tap of the hat to ANKH for bringing this to my attention:

Peter, Ace and Vinnie--all had to endure!

GARY CORBETT: I couldn't completely believe it, because he was always paranoid. He didn't have a good relationship with Paul at all. Paul would always fuck with Eric, and he knew how to push the buttons to do it, and he knew how to get to Eric. And he would. For the first three months of the Hot in the Shade tour, Eric didn't talk to Gene or Paul on the bus. It was really uncomfortable, because he would get on the bus with his sunglasses on and his Walkman, and he'd basically sit in the front lounge where everybody was sitting, looking anywhere but in their direction. Again, with the sunglasses and headphones on. So there was no communication. They didn't talk. And that's the way he was—he took that stuff really to heart. And Paul, like I said, knew exactly how to push his buttons. And did. So when Eric would say stuff like that to me, I had to take it from where it was coming and go, "Nah, come on. That's not really possible. That's not going to happen." But I can't remember who it was that told me. It came from a few places, but primarily, a lot of it came from Eric. And it was because of things that were going on between them and him. Well, one way was taking away the drum solo. Things like that. Anything that lessened Eric feeling like being part of the band or the rock star that he was. That was who Eric was. Once he was the drummer in Kiss, that is who he was. He loved being the drummer in Kiss—it was the only thing that mattered to him. So when you mess with that, you were really messing with him. And, of course, those two guys were the only two guys that could really do it. Gene wouldn't do it just for the sake of doing it, whereas Paul took some pleasure in it.

The Eric Carr Story Greg Prato

metatron · Post by **metatron** » Tue Dec 18, 2012 8:57 am

I beleive it. Paul is a bitch. you can see it in his manner. he got worse throught the years. there was a stage when I loveed Paul. he could do no wrong. but then i started to see it. the bitch that he is. he'd be a nasty peace of work too. mincing around like the diva that he/she is. that why i say, i don't want to meet them. even for free. they'd be huge disapointments.

ankh · Post by **ankh** » Tue Dec 18, 2012 9:07 am

i would be much ha ppier if things weren't the way did happen with Eric.

It seems also that Paul had a one oon one talk with Eric to make him change his mind.larry mazer started the whole thing when he said that it was time to take the solo off the set.

And what did happen to Eric when he was sick it is something i hope nobody would be put through.I hope tha t the ones responsible for such a mishap did learn something from it.

It seems, and i can be wrong because it is my impression based on things i've read is tha t botttom line was that Kiss was mistaken to eb a band even by some bandmembers when it is brand. The friendship and cameraderie were often fading in a grey line where business was gettin more important than people.

I'm sure it is not easy to run such a company but also the common thread between the former members and employees seems to be that they were misunderstanding-within reason and in a candid way- friendliness for friendship.This couldhave been caused by G&P acting like friends one moment and as bosses in another.This could be strenous in a normal life,in the showbusiness it could be magnified multiple times, especially when it comes to music and money.

It seems from the book that peter was bitter becasue it has fgiven a raw deal that changed each time for the worst,but at least he takes the responsability for being not so smart, business wise.I've heard a few people sayng different thiogn s abbout it, how difficutl was peter to be deaklt with and how in the ned paul had enohgn of his tantrums.But,if you read the book, it seems tha tpeter was right in many of the issues he was complaing about.

What i found funny-in a peculiar way- was how G&P always take the credit for gettin Kiss to the level they are now and how they blamed Ace and peter for the group dismal years.Yet when peter was out of the band, left in G&P hands, Kiss had it is biggest commercial failure.And Ace and Peter had nothnin to do with the fact that the revenge tour was stopped because of poor ticket sales and kiss could only organize conventions.

It also seems that deep down G&P still blame Ace for leaving the group in 82 and therefore spoiling the contract they had.Yet they never blamed jesse hilsen for his misgivings.

I could go on, but i don't want to bore anyone with my rants.

erg2 · Post by **erg2** » Tue Dec 18, 2012 9:22 am

But you are exactly correct. They always jump on Peter for playing the blame game, but THEY do the same thing. They had so many golden opportunities after Peter and Ace left the band, but they failed to capitalize on them. Was THAT still Ace and Peter's fault? There is no way (IMO) that the original KISS would've survived stylistically in the 80's metal scene. Ace and Peter could not pull that off. Their leaving was the blessing that allowed the band to continue. Gene & Paul's inability to focus on the band, the music, the look and to be original instead of being self-absorbed, petty, greedy and short-sighted prevented them from a true phoenix-like second coming.

I still think Animalize (which has Heaven's On Fire, one of my all time KISS faves) was a HUGE misstep for KISS. Mark St. John was the wrong choice. Gene's songs are mostly terrible. The production is awful. Then they segue into Asylum with WAY too much production, terrible costumes, some silly songs and (from what I hear) a really shitty tour. They could've been the kings of 80's metal by that point but quickly became obvious trend-chasers. Then the long hiatus for Crazy Nights, which turned off a huge portion of their disintegrating fanbase.

Why they didn't do ALIVE 3 after Asylum still puzzles me. They had three to four moderately successful albums of new material. Pad that with a couple of new studio tracks and a couple classics...bammo. But no, we never get a proper Eric Carr live album.

shramiac · Post by **shramiac** » Tue Dec 18, 2012 9:34 am

Got the Animalize video at least!

Post by **Genebaby** » Tue Dec 18, 2012 9:56 am

Yes, I got a great stereo recording of the Animalize video onto tape and listened to it a LOT back in the 80's. Could do the same thing today with the DVD. Should get onto that.

Possio · Post by **Possio** » Tue Dec 18, 2012 8:26 pm

Yes, GeneB, I remember I also had a cassette of said stereo recording of that show but it had a much fatter
sound to it "more reverb" (production) than what appeared in the actual VHS.?
Was that show I had on tape a Radio/MTV? Broadcast perhaps? Anybody in Kiss-land who knows?

PinkWiz · Post by **PinkWiz** » Tue Dec 18, 2012 8:39 pm

The Animalize Live Uncensored vid will always be special to me. Can't recall how many times my brother, two childhood friends and I lip synched to the audio of the ENTIRE concert in my parent's front yard (I was Bruce!) I had all of Bruce's facial expressions and guitar parts down on my modified tennis racquet before I could even play guitar...

Post by **Genebaby** » Tue Dec 18, 2012 10:52 pm

Possio wrote:Yes, GeneB, I remember I also had a cassette of said stereo recording of that show but it had a much fatter
sound to it "more reverb" (production) than what appeared in the actual VHS.?
Was that show I had on tape a Radio/MTV? Broadcast perhaps? Anybody in Kiss-land who knows?

I actually made mine from the VHS tape, on a stereo VCR into a tape player, sounded fantastic, I loved the sound of that concert, especially the drums.

I even shrunk down the VHS cover for my cassette version!!