Peter Criss' "Makeup To Breakup"

doublev2 · Post by **doublev2** » Tue Dec 18, 2012 11:47 pm

Lots of liu and creatures stuff carried over as well.

erg2 · Post by **erg2** » Wed Dec 19, 2012 12:12 am

I bought the import DVD. Disappointing sound and quality.

Brainsaw · Post by **Brainsaw** » Wed Dec 19, 2012 7:24 am

erg2 wrote:I bought the import DVD. Disappointing sound and quality.

That's what you get for getting a bootleg. That one wasn't an official release.

Brainsaw · Post by **Brainsaw** » Wed Dec 19, 2012 7:33 am

erg2 wrote: Why they didn't do ALIVE 3 after Asylum still puzzles me. They had three to four moderately successful albums of new material. Pad that with a couple of new studio tracks and a couple classics...bammo. But no, we never get a proper Eric Carr live album.

Probably because for the most part the songs from Animalize, Asylum and every Crazy Nights weren't holding up in concert.

http://www.kissfaq.com/tourdates/set_lists.html

For the US shows--you'd be lucky to have 2 songs make it through the tour from each new album.

And they screwed up Alive III when they did it. It shouldn't have had any classic songs on it.

Now had Vinnie stayed they could have:

Creatures Of The Night
I Love It Loud
War Machine
I Still Love You

Fits Like A Glove
Exciter
Gimme More
Young And Wasted
Lick It Up
All Hell's Breakin' Loose

All it would have taken is for him to stay for Animalize and they would have had enough songs (15) to put out ALIVE III with those songs and 5 from Animalize. Would have been a hell of a live album.

Post by **Genebaby** » Wed Dec 19, 2012 8:18 am

That would have been a "Killer" live album!!!

erg2 · Post by **erg2** » Wed Dec 19, 2012 8:20 am

Brainsaw wrote:
erg2 wrote:I bought the import DVD. Disappointing sound and quality.
That's what you get for getting a bootleg. That one wasn't an official release.

Well, shithead, I had already purchased the official VHS copy twice and burned through both. I still want to enjoy the concert but it wasn't available. Seeing as I had officially paid the band twice, I did not feel bad about buying a bootleg.

But I guess, as usual...as you ALWAYS are...you are right. I got what I deserved for buying an unofficial bootleg.

What a complete and utter jagoff.

Brainsaw · Post by **Brainsaw** » Wed Dec 19, 2012 9:58 am

erg2 wrote:
Brainsaw wrote:
erg2 wrote:I bought the import DVD. Disappointing sound and quality.
That's what you get for getting a bootleg. That one wasn't an official release.
Well, shithead, I had already purchased the official VHS copy twice and burned through both. I still want to enjoy the concert but it wasn't available. Seeing as I had officially paid the band twice, I did not feel bad about buying a bootleg.

You're the jackoff complaining about the sound and quality. What do you expect from a bootleg? You didn't say, I bought the bootleg import DVD. Some people may think it was officially released on DVD.

shramiac · Post by **shramiac** » Wed Dec 19, 2012 10:01 am

Might cheese some off but, I find LIU and Love it Loud as boring as all hell! And All Hells didn't work for me live!

doublev2 · Post by **doublev2** » Wed Dec 19, 2012 2:31 pm

Liu is boring because over played. I love it loud i still love. I dont believe vv had much to do with all hells breakin loose and i think it was a great live tune . Gimme more does nothing for me. The rest I like.

erg2 · Post by **erg2** » Thu Dec 20, 2012 12:41 am

Brainsaw wrote:
erg2 wrote:
Brainsaw wrote:
erg2 wrote:I bought the import DVD. Disappointing sound and quality.
That's what you get for getting a bootleg. That one wasn't an official release.
Well, shithead, I had already purchased the official VHS copy twice and burned through both. I still want to enjoy the concert but it wasn't available. Seeing as I had officially paid the band twice, I did not feel bad about buying a bootleg.
You're the jackoff complaining about the sound and quality. What do you expect from a bootleg? You didn't say, I bought the bootleg import DVD. Some people may think it was officially released on DVD.

Yeah. Of all the people on this board, I'M the jackoff.

"Derrr. Hay uhhhverrrybody. Vinny Vuncent wer a really popler rok star and uhhhverrrybody lurvedd his moozik! I red it in Medal edje magzine! Derrr!"

What a jagoff.

poserboy71 · Post by **poserboy71** » Thu Dec 20, 2012 5:13 am

I'm upset that I'M not considered the Jagoff of the VVFF because I feel that I'm "EVERYMAN"... AND EVERY WOMAN .

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erg2 · Post by **erg2** » Thu Dec 20, 2012 7:10 am

You want to be the undisputed sex symbol AND the jagoff?

Well, you need to start spouting unsupported statistics and making outrageous claims that Vinnie Vincent was the most popular rock star of the 80s before you can be the latter.

MatthewF · Post by **MatthewF** » Fri Dec 21, 2012 6:25 am

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DRAMA DRAMA EVERYWHERE!

eddiepagechicago · Post by **eddiepagechicago** » Fri Dec 21, 2012 9:40 am

I was assumed to be Vinnie as well at one point.

I'll say it again...commercial value or not...Vinnie wrote better songs for them then gene and paul did individually / together in their entire career. Gene and Paul wish they had the talent Vinnie does. No matter how much money you earn, it still won't buy you the internal gift of natural talent.

My money is on Vinnie smokin' Gene or Paul on guitar / bass in a Crossroads Showdown. genie and paulie would leave the club shittin' their Depends undergarments and handing over their souls!!!

Enough said,

Happy Holidays...

poserboy71 · Post by **poserboy71** » Fri Dec 21, 2012 9:43 am

I believe that everyone agrees with you Eddie...

erg2 · Post by **erg2** » Fri Dec 21, 2012 11:49 am

Agreed. That argument could be made to dispute Ass Pimples statement that Bruce has no good music.

PinkWiz · Post by **PinkWiz** » Fri Dec 21, 2012 3:02 pm

Brainsaw, your fantasy of Alive III (as well as mine) could've been reality had Vinnie stuck around. He didn't so move on.

PinkWiz · Post by **PinkWiz** » Fri Dec 21, 2012 3:03 pm

Also Rick., what's with the random pics? Are they pics u are taking discreetly?

Brainsaw · Post by **Brainsaw** » Fri Dec 21, 2012 8:08 pm

PinkWiz wrote:Brainsaw, your fantasy of Alive III (as well as mine) could've been reality had Vinnie stuck around. He didn't so move on.

Move on to what? If you don't like a thread, Ignore it. Nobody is forcing you to read anything.

If someone wanted to cut your salary in 1/2, get most of your royalties for a song, sign you up to a long term bad deal.

Why don't you go back and find all the times Peter Criss was claiming in magazines that he and Vinnie were writing together. Peter was desperate for a while to latch on to any KISS member...

But back to ALIVE III....as Vinnie made clear:
Boyz Are Gonna Rock
No Substitute
Animal
Twisted
Do You Wanna Make Love

were intended for Animalize.

Ironic that the name of the album was ANIMALIZE and a song by Vinnie intended for that album was called Animal. Coincidence?? I think not.

But add those 5 songs to the other songs that were staples on the COTN and LIU tours and you've got enough for ALIVE III.

PinkWiz · Post by **PinkWiz** » Fri Dec 21, 2012 8:18 pm

Like Rick said, it is hard to make any sense of you when you won't introduce yourself. I don't get the hard facts you are trying to get across like u are arguing with your worst enemies? It makes no fukn sense!!! We are all VV fans whether the motherfucker sold 2 albums or 2000,000,000 albums!!! Why are u trying to prove a point with people who are already diehard VV fans???

Post by **Genebaby** » Fri Dec 21, 2012 8:32 pm

+ 1 Billion, Trillion, Million, Zillion.

Brainsaw · Post by **Brainsaw** » Fri Dec 21, 2012 8:56 pm

PinkWiz wrote:Like Rick said, it is hard to make any sense of you when you won't introduce yourself. I don't get the hard facts you are trying to get across like u are arguing with your worst enemies? It makes no fukn sense!!! We are all VV fans whether the motherfucker sold 2 albums or 2000,000,000 albums!!! Why are u trying to prove a point with people who are already diehard VV fans???

You mean the ones who are usually trashing him on a daily basis around here?

What kind of point do people have around here arguing with the facts? Why argue what they remember as kids?

Its laughable its come to this. All started with just a passing comment about sales and then the blows up and the false claims about no radio play, hardly any magazine coverage, this that. All shot down with facts. Yet, people are still arguing. Why? Because Wikepida said something? My goodness.

PinkWiz · Post by **PinkWiz** » Fri Dec 21, 2012 9:01 pm

Until u can prove who you are and quit being a maniac with these useless stats then I will just assume you are a troll like the others here already have...

Brainsaw · Post by **Brainsaw** » Fri Dec 21, 2012 9:09 pm

PinkWiz wrote:Until u can prove who you are and quit being a maniac with these useless stats then I will just assume you are a troll like the others here already have...

Golly that hurts! Coming from such a big fan like yourself. I mean, you've had to take time away from your Vinnie bashing to get made about seeing some sales stats that of course you don't like. They make VInnie look good.

PinkWiz · Post by **PinkWiz** » Fri Dec 21, 2012 9:25 pm

Ha! I've never even disputed these stats! I'm not as "stat-worthy" as most here as far as record sales go and could give two shits if Vinnie sold two records or a million records!

Haha "Vinnie bashing?" I just got home from "bar hopping" and was proudly displaying my Vinnie Vincent Ankh Warrior T-shirt (two people thought it was Marilyn Manson). Although no one knew who Vinnie was suprisingly a couple people knew it was KISS. Far from "Vinnie bashing."

doublev2 · Post by **doublev2** » Fri Dec 21, 2012 10:31 pm

Not vv bashing. We love vv but state facts not bashing. You like to make up history. Your stats change by the way.

shramiac · Post by **shramiac** » Sat Dec 22, 2012 12:19 am

Yeah, I hate him so much that I bought one of his Jackson designed guitars last July! And I know how painful it was for the former owner and member here, to sell it!

Like everyone else here, I love Vinnie Vincent and the music he made. Like everyone else, I wish Vincent Cusano would let Vinnie Vincent come out and play! Like everyone else, I'd love it if Vinnie proved all of us wrong on our educated guesses and assumptions. Like everyone else, I'd love it if Vinnie actually got to take a bite out of G & P!!

metatron · Post by **metatron** » Sat Dec 22, 2012 12:33 am

ditto shramiac (& his big breasted avatar)

erg2 · Post by **erg2** » Sat Dec 22, 2012 1:41 am

Some of us MAY bash the man, but none of us bash the music.
None of which changes the fact that VVI was lackluster selling artist that the general, metal-record buying public did not drop their cash on OR even know who they were.

poserboy71 · Post by **poserboy71** » Sat Dec 22, 2012 2:42 am

shramiac wrote:Yeah, I hate him so much that I bought one of his Jackson designed guitars last July! And I know how painful it was for the former owner and member here, to sell it!

Like everyone else here, I love Vinnie Vincent and the music he made. Like everyone else, I wish Vincent Cusano would let Vinnie Vincent come out and play! Like everyone else, I'd love it if Vinnie proved all of us wrong on our educated guesses and assumptions. Like everyone else, I'd love it if Vinnie actually got to take a bite out of G & P!!

beano · Post by **beano** » Wed Dec 26, 2012 10:21 am

Brainsaw wrote:
PinkWiz wrote:Until u can prove who you are and quit being a maniac with these useless stats then I will just assume you are a troll like the others here already have...
Golly that hurts! Coming from such a big fan like yourself. I mean, you've had to take time away from your Vinnie bashing to get made about seeing some sales stats that of course you don't like. They make VInnie look good.

I'm sick of reading your @$$h0Le bull$h1T......get the f*** out of here man. ever since you've started posting here none of it has made any logical sense, and with NO EVIDENCE to back up your BS.

Leave.

Just go.

doublev2 · Post by **doublev2** » Wed Dec 26, 2012 4:12 pm

She is just saying what she thinks vv wants to hear. She sleped in the library, walmart and a church near vvs house while exploring his house all the time. She feels she has a spiritual connection to vv and is at one with him which in my eyes is very dangerous to vinnie.. but thats upto vv to decide .

Brainsaw · Post by **Brainsaw** » Thu Dec 27, 2012 10:43 am

beano wrote:
I'm sick of reading your @$$h0Le bull$h1T......get the f*** out of here man. ever since you've started posting here none of it has made any logical sense, and with NO EVIDENCE to back up your BS.

Leave.

Just go.

Thanks for the love. Odd you wouldn't say any evidence to back it up when that's all there's been.

Granted, I know some are freaking out because their "memories" were shot and they got exposed for all their baseless claims and flat out falsehoods.

Also, thanks for the nice welcome! Kulick fan perhaps?

erg2 · Post by **erg2** » Thu Dec 27, 2012 1:12 pm

doublev2 wrote:She is just saying what she thinks vv wants to hear. She sleped in the library, walmart and a church near vvs house while exploring his house all the time. She feels she has a spiritual connection to vv and is at one with him which in my eyes is very dangerous to vinnie.. but thats upto vv to decide .

Pow.

poserboy71 · Post by **poserboy71** » Fri Dec 28, 2012 12:19 am

I was on the phone with a VVFF forum member that was IN the Smyrna Wal Mart as she texted me.
He saw her and described her to a "T"... ... or should I say, to an "A".
T-N-A !!!!

Brainsaw · Post by **Brainsaw** » Fri Dec 28, 2012 2:15 pm

If ya missed Peter on Eddie Trunk's show:

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eddiepagechicago · Post by **eddiepagechicago** » Fri Dec 28, 2012 3:57 pm

I'm on Chapter 10 and so far, it's been amazing ride so far.
I don't find Peter to be whinny at all...instead, very truthful and is extremely hard, even on himself.
He dishes it out about everyone...Everyone in the band, many of those associated directly with band members, management, security, finance, producers, road crew etc.

It's a great read and sheds some light on genie and paulie....me likey.

I'm surprised Peter was allowed to use a pic of himself in KISS makeup...I'm surprised genie allowed him.

I believe what Peter is saying in this book, and it has a more rock 'n roll feel to the read than gene's crappy fuckin' books. gene is so full of himself that he edited his own first book...it was full of errors in grammer and repeated a few 'big' words over and over again...fuckin' pathetic his ego...
So far, no errors in Peter's book...but then again, Peter doesn't claim to be an editor, doctor, guru, public speaking motivator and um, alchemist (I'm exaggerating about gene's ego but you get the point).
Peter makes me feel alive about the days of makeup for the band, he brings you back to those feelings you felt about the band as a kid...gene never did that in his writings.

You guys give gene and paul way too much credit here in this forum...

Way to go Peter...

doublev2 · Post by **doublev2** » Fri Dec 28, 2012 4:01 pm

Eddie you are so funny.

erg2 · Post by **erg2** » Sat Dec 29, 2012 12:09 am

He is?

Brainsaw · Post by **Brainsaw** » Sat Dec 29, 2012 1:53 pm

eddiepagechicago wrote:I'm on Chapter 10 and so far, it's been amazing ride so far.
I don't find Peter to be whinny at all...instead, very truthful and is extremely hard, even on himself.
He dishes it out about everyone...Everyone in the band, many of those associated directly with band members, management, security, finance, producers, road crew etc.

It's a great read and sheds some light on genie and paulie....me likey.

I'm surprised Peter was allowed to use a pic of himself in KISS makeup...I'm surprised genie allowed him.

I believe what Peter is saying in this book, and it has a more rock 'n roll feel to the read than gene's crappy fuckin' books. gene is so full of himself that he edited his own first book...it was full of errors in grammer and repeated a few 'big' words over and over again...fuckin' pathetic his ego...
So far, no errors in Peter's book...but then again, Peter doesn't claim to be an editor, doctor, guru, public speaking motivator and um, alchemist (I'm exaggerating about gene's ego but you get the point).
Peter makes me feel alive about the days of makeup for the band, he brings you back to those feelings you felt about the band as a kid...gene never did that in his writings.

You guys give gene and paul way too much credit here in this forum...

Way to go Peter...

I'm sure you will really think even less of G&P when you finish.... after seeing how Peter and Ace were treated, lied to, ripped off etc....

Every KISS fan should read Makeup To Breakup.

doublev2 · Post by **doublev2** » Sat Dec 29, 2012 1:57 pm

What about how ace treated john reagan and some others. I have no issue with paul and gene but I wish they never hired tommy.

poserboy71 · Post by **poserboy71** » Sat Dec 29, 2012 2:51 pm

John Regan is a true gentleman.

ankh · Post by **ankh** » Sat Dec 29, 2012 6:09 pm

it seems that Ace and john Della Chiesa(Regan) did patch up the issues.

If what i did read somewhere is true,Peter was part of the symphony mainly because the contract requested at least three original members and when Ace did turn the offer down-or simply didn't answer to their calls- they had no choice.

One of the forumites at the Kissfaq.com-who has worked with the band many times-also stated that Paul during theur last tour together,had enough of Peter's behaviour and lack of skills,so he was the one pushing to have another drummer on the next tour.

poserboy71 · Post by **poserboy71** » Sat Dec 29, 2012 6:19 pm

ankh wrote:
One of the forumites at the Kissfaq.com-who has worked with the band many times-also stated that Paul during theur last tour together,had enough of Peter's behaviour and lack of skills,so he was the one pushing to have another drummer on the next tour.

What's funny is that Peter was really kicking ass on that Aerosmith tour. His chops were very good.

Slayer · Post by **Slayer** » Sun Dec 30, 2012 7:53 am

Santa brought me the Peter Criss Book for Christmas so I started reading it last night too. I must say so far that it's entertaining

erg2 · Post by **erg2** » Tue Jan 01, 2013 3:57 am

I loved Peter's book. You just have to keep in mind that it's the truth "from HIS perspective". I think it probably has more truth/reality than Ace's book or either of Gene's propaganda pieces.

The truth is probably somewhere in the middle. I think we will need to wait for Paul's book...then it's a matter of trying to find the commonalities between all the different autobiographies on KISS in the world.

PinkWiz · Post by **PinkWiz** » Wed Jan 02, 2013 7:24 pm

I think Paul is just too private and afraid he would shatter the illusion he thinks people have of him if he writes a book.

Portillo · Post by **Portillo** » Wed Jan 02, 2013 7:50 pm

Its Gene and Pauls band and they can do anything they want with it.

erg2 · Post by **erg2** » Thu Jan 03, 2013 2:10 am

PinkWiz wrote:I think Paul is just too private and afraid he would shatter the illusion he thinks people have of him if he writes a book.

Paul has announced that he is indeed writing HIS book to be released "next year". Announced it on the Sixx Sense podcast about a month back.

Post by **Genebaby** » Thu Jan 03, 2013 7:19 am

A Paul book? Madness!!!!!

Is there a title? My life as a prima donna springs to mind......