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VV' s musical and technical studies and talk

Posted: Sun Sep 10, 2017 6:07 pm
by tukoztukoz
I think a section about VV' s musical and technical stuff is missing on VVFF. There are many posts here and there that talk about it, but they are unfortunately lost and forgotten.
Among the comments we can read on the net and youtube about VV ' s music(best example : REH vid), a few are interesting, all the rest is written by boring haters. It would be great to reunite all that' s interesting about all those analyses
Again, I ´m thinking about VV' s music only, nothing about VV's life.
What do you think about that?

Re: VV' s musical and technical studies and talk

Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2017 5:52 pm
by shramiac
Cool.

I'll start...he was scary fast and had a brilliant sense of melody. Would love to hear more of his acoustic work. "Ya Know I'm Pretty Shot" still blows my mind!

Re: VV' s musical and technical studies and talk

Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2017 10:32 pm
by tukoztukoz
I like what Possio wrote in the metal tech thread :


by Possio » Sat May 21, 2011 2:10 am

I love it for the weirdness of it all.
The basic idea seems to be: as long as the harmonic structure is really static, like
( E5 and/or D5 and no 3ds etc etc..) you can color with whatever notes, harmonic structure
you like and let the lead be the color of the chord, as opposed to the other way around.
/O

Postby Possio » Sat May 21, 2011 6:23 pm

Good points there too shramiac. Sure, Vinnie knows his "shit" just like so many
other (rock)fusion players do. It´s just really hard to pull those chord voices thru
with massive distortion and stuff.....It just turns to mush. Then if you do play clean
and let the chords ring clean, it´s no longer Hard Rock, it turns into something else...
So, my idea is that he did an interesting concept with it and still maintained the rock/metal sound.
Check out Shawn Lane for more of this, althoug, his music is very very far from Rocking in my opinion.
Vinnies stuff is cool! Thanks Vinnie!

Re: VV' s musical and technical studies and talk

Posted: Sat Sep 16, 2017 12:05 am
by poserboy71
Pulse.

Re: VV' s musical and technical studies and talk

Posted: Sat Sep 16, 2017 12:20 am
by tukoztukoz
That was a good one (already shown somewhere but worth the rereading): https://www.guitar-muse.com/guitar-note ... ncent-5165

Re: VV' s musical and technical studies and talk

Posted: Sat Sep 23, 2017 5:29 am
by Hummarstra
This is an interesting thread. Thanks for starting it. I'm a musician and I frankly don't give two shits about his personal life. I'm only interested in HOW he did it. Vinnie as musician to me is filled with contradictions. Ironically, it's his shredding that I usually don't care for (and I'm a fan of the great shredders.) I understand that on the VVI albums Dana punched in his solos and strung together the solos we hear on the albums. So, instead of writing a solo with a beginning, middle and an end you get kind of a patch work of licks, like sewing together a quilt. I'm not a fan of this approach. I think one of the moments that really leaps out on the ASG album is the beginning of the Ashes to Ashes solo where V plays the Jeff Beck stlye licks for about 5-6 measures. Just magical. And then goes into a harmonic minor shred (although I think he's just playing minor.) And, then there are the volume swell/delay lines. But, it ends up being unrelated patterns -- again -- sewn together like a quilt. So, I'm really torn on his soloing style. I didn't become a fan of V until I heard his singing and the songs he'd written. His shredding, to me, is weird branch off the musical tree that is Vinnie.

I have no idea where I'm going with this lol.

tukoztukoz, am I way off base here? Did I take this thread somewhere it shouldn't go?

Re: VV' s musical and technical studies and talk

Posted: Sat Sep 23, 2017 5:49 am
by tukoztukoz
No, you brought interesting points here. Punch ins sound very different from his 10 min. live solos, beginning and end of Reh vid, or speedball jam. Kind of impossible to play naturally ( see the Reh vid where he does playback on recorded ASG solos)