do u musicians here ever?

PinkWiz · Post by **PinkWiz** » Sat Feb 09, 2013 8:09 pm

Pour your heart out at a gig for 10 people and ever get a shitty moment of clarity and realize how lucky gene, paul and anyone else thats been in kiss is? It definitely erases any fanboy tendencies u have left when u realize they are no more or no less talented than u but just hit the jackpot at a young age. Sometimes it suxx putting it all into perspective but at least I have my health I guess...

shramiac · Post by **shramiac** » Sat Feb 09, 2013 9:33 pm

Sort of but I never had any talent.

Can drive a forklift like a bitch though!

AnkhWarrior · Post by **AnkhWarrior** » Sun Feb 10, 2013 3:58 am

Well when it comes to the music industry it seems like people are literally 'chosen'....thats why there are so many people with real talent who arent able to get off the ground, yet all these musicians who have 0 talent, like lil wayne for example, manage to get their way to the top. Its really sad. All this has to do with religious reasons...im sure you know where im getting at, you probably have heard of it all before with the Illuminati...but im not gonna get into that since the majority of people think us 'conspiracy theorists' are insane. So ill stop now lol. But i really do wish you the best of luck.

poserboy71 · Post by **poserboy71** » Sun Feb 10, 2013 9:50 am

PinkWiz wrote:Pour your heart out at a gig for 10 people and ever get a shitty moment of clarity and realize how lucky gene, paul and anyone else thats been in kiss is? It definitely erases any fanboy tendencies u have left when u realize they are no more or no less talented than u but just hit the jackpot at a young age. Sometimes it suxx putting it all into perspective but at least I have my health I guess...

PinkWiz · Post by **PinkWiz** » Sun Feb 10, 2013 10:45 am

AnkhWarrior wrote:Well when it comes to the music industry it seems like people are literally 'chosen'....thats why there are so many people with real talent who arent able to get off the ground, yet all these musicians who have 0 talent, like lil wayne for example, manage to get their way to the top. Its really sad. All this has to do with religious reasons...im sure you know where im getting at, you probably have heard of it all before with the Illuminati...but im not gonna get into that since the majority of people think us 'conspiracy theorists' are insane. So ill stop now lol. But i really do wish you the best of luck.

you took the words right outta my mouth...

anyway, sorry all for the "woe-is-me" post... too much pineapple Burnetts and comin' down off my Tramadol buzz after aforementioned gig... actually the show really wasn't all that bad.

AnkhWarrior · Post by **AnkhWarrior** » Sun Feb 10, 2013 10:54 am

No need to be sorry....all true talent deserves to be recognized

and i bet

metatron · Post by **metatron** » Mon Feb 11, 2013 8:34 am

AnkhWarrior wrote:.im sure you know where im getting at, you probably have heard of it all before with the Illuminati...but im not gonna get into that since the majority of people think us 'conspiracy theorists' are insane. So ill stop now lol. But i really do wish you the best of luck.

http://www.ibtimes.com/did-beyonce-flas ... ng-1059356

It's not what you know, it's who you blow.

“Coincidence is merely the puppeteers’ curtain, hiding the hands that pull the world’s strings.”
― Kaleb Nation, Harken

MatthewF · Post by **MatthewF** » Mon Feb 11, 2013 9:31 am

President Obama is actually using american sign language for "I love you".

https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&saf ... I+love+you

AnkhWarrior · Post by **AnkhWarrior** » Mon Feb 11, 2013 9:53 am

Yeah there is a difference between "I love you" in sign language and the rock on/devils horns using the hand...but I've seen him use both, even other politicians. But the whole circle over the eye thing and the pyramid...pure Illuminati. Almost all celebs use it. Jay Z tries to say that the symbol Beyonce is throwing up is a "diamond" -________- B.S! It's a pyramid that so many musicians put over there eyeball. But enough about 'em.

Anyway, this post is about PinkWiz

So screw the Illuminati and they can KISS my Ankh.

ankh · Post by **ankh** » Mon Feb 11, 2013 9:54 am

apart form songs and makeup, Kiss had arttitude and willing ness to make it no matter what,plus such a strong and faithful organization of people around them that made it happen.Often even them they neglected that.And if you think about many mistakes they have done,and yet they were afloat, you realize how there was such a team effort form the management and the business side of it tha t you can't comnpare an unknown band with an entrerpise.Read the CK Lendt Book and you'll see what i mean.

The only thing i can add is that you just try your best and be ready because things can happen,but commercial success it is not the measure of anything, dedication to your passion is.Otherwise people like scott henderson and tons of others would be on the top of the charts.

poserboy71 · Post by **poserboy71** » Mon Feb 11, 2013 10:28 am

Steve Vai anyone ? Some of these things are pure garbage but...
I'm not sure what to believe ,simply because I do not look as deeply as some of you do. All is cool though and it is very interesting.

[youtube][/youtube]

Slayer · Post by **Slayer** » Mon Feb 11, 2013 11:41 am

Wow, Steve Vai is a Satanist?

metatron · Post by **metatron** » Mon Feb 11, 2013 11:43 am

Beyonce is the whore of babylon
Beyonce Satanic Choreography - Put a Ring on it

http://www.whale.to/c/beyonce_satanic.html
http://www.planetxtube.com/index.php?op ... atest-news

metatron · Post by **metatron** » Mon Feb 11, 2013 11:44 am

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poserboy71 · Post by **poserboy71** » Mon Feb 11, 2013 11:49 am

AnkhWarrior · Post by **AnkhWarrior** » Mon Feb 11, 2013 11:56 am

metatron wrote:[youtube][/youtube]

I'm ashamed to have ever liking some of her songs...but it's obvious the Illuminati exists. If you do the proper research, you'll find the truth.

metatron · Post by **metatron** » Mon Feb 11, 2013 11:59 am

AnkhWarrior wrote: I'm ashamed to have ever liking some of her songs...but it's obvious the Illuminati exists. If you do the proper research, you'll find the truth.

With you all the way. Bring down those evil Satanic bankers.

AnkhWarrior · Post by **AnkhWarrior** » Mon Feb 11, 2013 12:44 pm

metatron wrote:
AnkhWarrior wrote: I'm ashamed to have ever liking some of her songs...but it's obvious the Illuminati exists. If you do the proper research, you'll find the truth.
With you all the way. Bring down those evil Satanic bankers.

If only that were possible :/ they put their symbols in pur gaces in our everyday life ap we pretty much accept them subconsciously...so when they take over we will have already accepted it and not question it...all based on biblical prophecy. Not going to try and shove anything down anyones throat though. They can do research if they wish. Lol totally went off topic.

metatron · Post by **metatron** » Mon Feb 11, 2013 1:10 pm

Same here. I don't like to shove anything down anyone's throat. Believe what you want to believe. And if you are keen, do your own homework & see how far down the rabbits hole all this stuff goes & see where it leads you. Hope for the best and prepare for the worst.

shramiac · Post by **shramiac** » Mon Feb 11, 2013 4:05 pm

metatron wrote: I don't like to shove anything down anyone's throat. .

Oh geez! You know who's gonna reply to this comment!!!!!

metatron · Post by **metatron** » Tue Feb 12, 2013 7:16 am

shramiac wrote:
metatron wrote: I don't like to shove anything down anyone's throat. .

Oh geez! You know who's gonna reply to this comment!!!!!

Ok, you asked for it shramiac. I DO WANT TO SHOVE 'IT' DOWN SOMEONES's THROAT

metatron · Post by **metatron** » Tue Feb 12, 2013 7:19 am

Maybe even RAM IT DOWN!
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poserboy71 · Post by **poserboy71** » Tue Feb 12, 2013 12:22 pm

Post by **Genebaby** » Tue Feb 12, 2013 12:57 pm

I play covers so its not quite the same for me. They are someone else's songs people either like or don't. Of course, if we played them crap that wouldn't help.

MatthewF · Post by **MatthewF** » Wed Feb 13, 2013 9:29 am

[youtube][/youtube]

Do you like popsicles? I got a whole freezer full of popsicles.
FREE CANDY!

1031 · Post by **1031** » Wed Feb 13, 2013 1:44 pm

Playing music has always been a crap shoot. Its the only area of study that you are taught to do for the love of music and then the second you get approached for a deal its about money. What you write and how you write is no longer your expression but a product .
The music biz is even a lot different, that in the 70s at least then it was "how do we sell this?" now its a prepackaged contortion of someone.

I guess I get tweeked the most when I see somebody pay $200 for a ticket to a crappy talent less artist that is lip syncing something someone else wrote for them , and the same person would bitch about paying a $5 cover to see any cover band.

A musician is someone who study's like a brain surgeon and gets paid like a dish washer.

PinkWiz · Post by **PinkWiz** » Wed Feb 13, 2013 1:50 pm

Greast post 1031... I agree. The majority will be lead to and pay for what they think they are supposed to listen to... what they're forced fed every minute of the day by the media.

1031 · Post by **1031** » Wed Feb 13, 2013 1:50 pm

The Illuminati stuff kills me...

1031 · Post by **1031** » Wed Feb 13, 2013 2:08 pm

Genebaby wrote:I play covers so its not quite the same for me. They are someone else's songs people either like or don't. Of course, if we played them crap that wouldn't help.

Dont cut your self short, I know your set list has to have near the same amount of songs as ours. Tell anybody touring they will have to do 40 songs and watch them shit there pants.

Hey by the way PM me your set list... I will send you our final list.

AnkhWarrior · Post by **AnkhWarrior** » Wed Feb 13, 2013 2:26 pm

Pfft I dont listen to anything except 80's rock, metal, and some dance/techno! Music these days suck! -_- its a complete embarrassment

poserboy71 · Post by **poserboy71** » Wed Feb 13, 2013 2:43 pm

MatthewF wrote:[youtube][/youtube]

Do you like popsicles? I got a whole freezer full of popsicles.
FREE CANDY!

You are the Champion of the VVFF for a few moments !!!!
CONGRATULATIONS !!!!

AnkhWarrior · Post by **AnkhWarrior** » Wed Feb 13, 2013 3:06 pm

Lil' Jack Horny · Post by **Lil' Jack Horny** » Thu Feb 14, 2013 5:44 am

I'm with you on this one, PinkWiz. It can be very discouraging when you put hours into rehearsal, recording, editing, mixing, anything that you're really passionate about. Then you play it and only ten people show up, or you post it and only ten people view/listen to it. It's something I'm going through right now. You just have to hold your head high and remember you're CHIP FUCKING ROBERTS AND YOU DON'T TAKE SHIT FROM ANYONE!

PinkWiz · Post by **PinkWiz** » Thu Feb 14, 2013 7:56 am

mrblitz · Post by **mrblitz** » Thu Feb 14, 2013 8:15 am

i don't believe that steve vai is a satanist.

although, the story of frank zappa (vai's early boss) might have some interesting background to it; that is if you believe what dave mcgowan says about it. check out the 'center for an informed america' website, and the 'laurel canyon' series of articles... fascinating stuff.

all of that aside, steve vai actually seems like a really, well-grounded human being. he's a great guitar instructor, and he's fun to listen to when talking about things other than guitar. but admittedly, there is at least some weirdness in the music biz (understatement of the year?).

as for the thing of uploading and not being listened to; i've gotten a lot of that. at some point, i just figured it was something that had to be done, no matter who might be listening. when the stats show 20 downloads of this album, or 100 downloads of that song; well it's better than nothing. it still makes me wonder though; how long can a person keep this up; creating for the sake of creating; without any source of real income?

maybe we could use a forum here; not just for our renditions of vinnie riffs, but for sharing our original music as well. that way we could each add 5 or 10 more listeners or somesuch.

ankh · Post by **ankh** » Thu Feb 14, 2013 8:29 am

compared to the way it was when i was a teeenager, now there's an unlimited source of music, you have the chance to preview a lot of stuff,and also forget about the trends.More so than before, you have the be the one looking for quality stuff,but ,like i've said, there' easier access to the source.Often when i did ordersmusic tha t was a bit out of ordinary, it was a long and slow process, havin to deal with post offices where people can't understand english addresses or pay cd or record almost twice the price since there was no dtributor in my country.yet the moment the music was played,everyhting else faded away.Plus,the italian lp's lacked tons of stuff ,from lyrics to printed inner sleeves........now i can buy the cd directly form the artist,without having to deal with all the middle men inbetween. Plus , i can, in less than 5 minutes, find incredible artists and muscians playng music i could only dream about before.

When i put my videos on youtube, susally there's not a lot of people watching them,and often i notice how lame stuff got thousands and sometimes hundred thousands views,with much less effort on both the music and the images,compared to the hours i spend so much time putting everything together.Yet i do it for the love of music,because music makes me feel good and forget everyday's problems.For some people what i play is not considered music,but it makes me feel good and brings me somehwere else.Hopefully some other people like it,it is part of the game,and feedback-both positive and negative-is important.You puish through no matter what because it is something you are passionate about it.

Thee first time i've played live i was alone,playng both the part of the musician and of the soundman, the speakers were placed wrongly,no soundcheck at all,for an audience who-apart for not knowing my music at all- was there to watch some paintings and listening to "fine" people speakin about art.
I also had to made a speech-completely improvised- about the music and how it was related to the theme of the expo.Yet when i was playng, people become attentive and many afterwards were pleasantly surprised by the music i was playng to the point of sayng "i didn't belive you could play such interesting and fascinating music".
The pleasure of playng,of expressing yourself ,amd the reaction of the crowd it is what often makes us go through many rocky roads,and cope with all the bull***t you have to deal with when you just want to play.Play music it is a blessing and a curse,in a way.And,for each time you say to yourself"no way",there will be always a magic moment that will make it all worthwhile,and make us start all over again,in spite of everything.In a way, it could be called "music of the damned",or "the Sysiphus syndrome":P

Sorry for my rant, i hope it wasn't so boring

metatron · Post by **metatron** » Thu Feb 14, 2013 12:08 pm

mrblitz wrote:i don't believe that steve vai is a satanist.

although, the story of frank zappa (vai's early boss) might have some interesting background to it; that is if you believe what dave mcgowan says about it. check out the 'center for an informed america' website, and the 'laurel canyon' series of articles... fascinating stuff.

all of that aside, steve vai actually seems like a really, well-grounded human being. he's a great guitar instructor, and he's fun to listen to when talking about things other than guitar. but admittedly, there is at least some weirdness in the music biz (understatement of the year?).

WoW!, just started reading this ;
'http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr93.html'
OMG! The owls are not what they seem!
[youtube][/youtube]

poserboy71 · Post by **poserboy71** » Thu Feb 14, 2013 12:11 pm

I never intended to imply that Steve Vai is a Satanist.

I am not sure what to believe so...

Very interesting subject though.

mrblitz, Great idea on the original music thread.

mrblitz · Post by **mrblitz** » Thu Feb 14, 2013 6:57 pm

yeah, i was speaking more to the guy who made that video about all of steve's imagery.

it is interesting, but i'm not at all convinced that it is what that guy says it is.

i'm looking forward to listening and contributing on the vvforums music thread.

MatthewF · Post by **MatthewF** » Fri Feb 15, 2013 8:34 am

poserboy71 wrote:You are the Champion of the VVFF for a few moments !!!!
CONGRATULATIONS !!!!

I've finally accomplished my life's goal. I mean my entire life has been building up to this.

I CAN DIE NOW!

poserboy71 · Post by **poserboy71** » Fri Feb 15, 2013 9:55 am

Don't die. You have a lot more of these moments ahead of you !!!!

Post by **Genebaby** » Fri Feb 15, 2013 10:13 am

1031 wrote:
Genebaby wrote:I play covers so its not quite the same for me. They are someone else's songs people either like or don't. Of course, if we played them crap that wouldn't help.

Dont cut your self short, I know your set list has to have near the same amount of songs as ours. Tell anybody touring they will have to do 40 songs and watch them shit there pants.

Hey by the way PM me your set list... I will send you our final list.

Thanks! PM has been sent.

40 songs is nothing! It's easy as pie, the time flys by.

KissMyAss · Post by **KissMyAss** » Mon Feb 18, 2013 10:42 am

One divine muse of poetry is a greater beauty than all the great whores and jigalos of babylon.

KissMyAss · Post by **KissMyAss** » Mon Feb 18, 2013 1:13 pm

I'd rather sit down to a good book than listen to Lady Gaga's songs about getting poked or Justin Bieber's one-liners to 14 year old girls. Modern music isn't moving like the classics. I don't mind sounding like an old codger.

AnkhWarrior · Post by **AnkhWarrior** » Mon Feb 18, 2013 1:19 pm

KissMyAss wrote:I'd rather sit down to a good book than listen to Lady Gaga's songs about getting poked or Justin Bieber's one-liners to 14 year old girls. Modern music isn't moving like the classics. I don't mind sounding like an old codger.

Where's a time machine when you need one?

Post by **Genebaby** » Mon Feb 18, 2013 3:07 pm

Songs about getting poked? Isn't that what rock n roll is about? Without it Kiss would only have two songs!

Listen to Bad Romance, better than any Kiss song for a long time.

AnkhWarrior · Post by **AnkhWarrior** » Mon Feb 18, 2013 3:13 pm

What ya gotta do to get a response out of lady gaga? Poker face.

shramiac · Post by **shramiac** » Mon Feb 18, 2013 4:58 pm

AnkhWarrior wrote:What ya gotta do to get a response out of lady gaga? Poker face.

You'll have to at the moment! Her hips are out of action for a while!

Geez I can't believe I just did a "Rick"!!! Yes I know you're proud of me PB!!!!!!

metatron · Post by **metatron** » Mon Feb 18, 2013 5:51 pm

shramiac wrote:
AnkhWarrior wrote:What ya gotta do to get a response out of lady gaga? Poker face.

You'll have to at the moment! Her hips are out of action for a while!

Geez I can't believe I just did a "Rick"!!! Yes I know you're proud of me PB!!!!!!

But, But, Butt

....If you Pokher Face

, what would her hips have anything to do with it

poserboy71 · Post by **poserboy71** » Tue Feb 19, 2013 1:46 am

The best benefit of a BJ is her not being able to speak.